Maccabi Tel Aviv are now crying victim…
It’s interesting that this comes shortly after WMP said that they would consult the Israeli Police over the Tel Aviv violence:
I’m really not happy about Starmer undermining the police like this. Given that many of the far-right nutters in the UK come from a hooliganism background what is he going to agree to next?
Starmer has close family that live in Israel, or at least his wife does. Not saying her upbringing means she is constantly in his ear about things, but enough that he is raising his children with the Jewish faith… So yeah, anything he is likely to have an opinion on, is likely to be interpreted by some in whatever biased mode they want
Good riddance. They were a serious nuisance during a game at Amsterdam recently, if memory serves well. They can go and f*ck themselves as far as I’m concerned, and I wouldn’t blame anyone trying to ban them from all games on European ground this season. I would actually support it.
the best part is Meloni has bigger balls than all the men in the room,
she needed them to get where she is
She is helped by her physical beauty though. Trump treats her like a potential trophy wife, as does Erdogan. Both makes sexist and chauvinistic comments to her in public, but are still nice to her since she is physically impressive. If she looked like Theresa May, Trump would treat her like shit.
But yes, the woman has balls, I agree. I do not like her politics at all though, but she has steel, yes. Steel as real Nationalists often do have, I would sadly note.
Theresa May’s dancing more than made up for it though 
I miss the likes of Theresa May in the UK Conservtive party. What came after, were a train of not very serious people.
Not really.
I could be wide of the mark, but as time elapses since the days of my youth, politicians are generally getting less impressive.
Growing up, whether or not I agreed ideologically, for the most part I could see people who were arguing the merits of the issue, taking a stand, and acting for the good of the country as they perceived it.
Nowadays it’s a rare politician, on either side of the pond (I’m talking UK/US) who impresses me. I’m not saying there aren’t any, but it seems like there are fewer. They seem to see it as a vehicle to enrich themselves, rather than serve their constituents.
I might be worn down with what’s happening here, but generally I’m unimpressed, both with the politicians themselves, and also the process as is.
I can see why many millions choose not to participate, although obviously that doesn’t make anything better.
I am not going to waste time debating the definition of ‘Civil’. Your comment was just a snark remark. If you had included the characteristics of Facism from Keene State College in your original response as support for your remark then fair enough.
Out of curiosity, did you just search ‘characteristics of Facism’ and run with the first link…I mean you have referenced a College from New Hampshire, in the US. Additionally, I can’t challenge it because you haven’t copied a link.
I have copied said link for perspective.
In the end, in my opinion, you are doing everything I am crying out for the Left to not do. You are marginalising people, shoe horning people who have concerns, into a demographic that suits your views and allows for you to take the morale high ground and not have to justify ‘your narrow mindedness with/and ignorance’.
I really don’t want to debate every point you have ‘judged’ from an unbiased opinion - happy to do so via PM. I would be interested in how you score Labour/Starmer by you Facism test and see how they fare!
If we are being honest you are trying to use the terminology of Facism in such a broad spectrum, that upon true reflection we are probably all guilty of displaying some of these characteristics.
All I ever ask for on this forum is for people to consider other people’s concerns without mocking them, to try and understand why they have these alleged “RW” views, without judging and resenting them.
Why can you not do this?
I have attached the below incase you or anyone else would like to consider concerns other people may have.
Labour MP’s in Birmingham, Google Yakoob Ahmed (the lawyer) who almost took Ms. Mahmoods seat and what he practices’.
Why did Jess Phillips - who I really respect - dismiss an enquiry into grooming gangs, only for the Central Government to take the heat a few days later? Because it would affect her margin in her constituency - I am sure you are aware of the harassment she faced in the General election….
A good one for you
I could reel off more, like LGBTQ education at schools and the intimidation the Teachers faced but I am sure you would be able to find justification for their actions.
I believe that people have the right to have concerns? Yes or no? Are these views facist? Could it be argued that in some parts of the Country the local community (non British) are trying to vote in people with very discriminatory views, who oppose the society we all want to live in?
I mean no ill feeling, more a tongue in cheek comment. But it is nice to have be told I am correct for once…..such a back handed acceptance.
You have removed the context of this comment to suit your response. The follow up question “you sure about that?” Is uncalled for.
You are right, I can vote any way that i determine best. That is quite harmonious of you, thank you for allowing me that privilege.
*yes, my response is tongue in cheek and meant with no offence.
So, who are you going to vote for? if you don’t mind could you explain in a short response why?
Fixed it for you.
The problem with these type of questions is that the Left fall back on their rhetoric of blaming Tories and 14yrs of austerity and billionaires sucking the Government’s finances dry.
The honest answer to this is that the Government, both general and local waste money. There is no central discussion to tackle these issues. Every Government has a different opinion which usually undermines the previous.
I have mentioned it before, issues like Education, NHS, should have a cross party agreement so that they/the Country can actually have an agreed direction. Sure it may take a couple of parliaments but it should be agreed that these topics are not used in the political debate.
I think many voters would be happy to contribute a bit more by tax revenue if there was assurances/evidence at where this extra money was going.
Re: Immigration, I appreciate you see it as a RW issue. Again, all I ask for from you is to look at the general rise in popularity of RW parties and try to understand why people are turning to them without narrowing it down to Racism.
Thanks Magnus for your response.
I appreciate your somewhat light hearted response, I agree with a lot of what you say, however, I also question parts of it?
The UK’s culture has consistently changed from the year BC. From the Celts/Druid to the multi diverse culture we have now. I mean who introduced the CoE, Catholicism, paganism? how many times has the Isle been invaded? At times Barbarically? Every event in history has had its pro’s and Con’s.
Acknowledging and learning from our past is vital to creating an equal society, regardless of Race, Religion, sexuality, identity.
However, we also need to be able to call out issues in society, question people of all ethnicities/beliefs for their views on the same merit, without a fear of being stereotyped and classed as RW.
But fails to take into account the aggression they faced from the locals.
Look, the Glasgow Derby has a massive risk of sectarian violence, yet is managed. How many English teams fans travel to Italy and get stabbed. I suppose we all forget the Racist abuse black players receive in Eastern Europe.
The problem here is that the UK prides itself on being fair, promoting equal rights - whether you believe that or not is up to you.
The Birmingham SAG is made up of numerous partners. Is it wise to welcome Jewish fans into a predominantly Muslim area? England travel to Ireland and vice versa. It could have been policed, but research the MP’s whom are part of the SAG committee and you will find a common trend.
So are we going to ban Roma fans from coming to Anfield/Liverpool?
@mascot and I have already established that there are only 156 billionaires in the UK.
I’m not naive, Mascot and you are. How many assets does the common human buy a week if you take out food??? I mean, I brought a £50 kettle the other week. Ermmm, does a potato peeler class as an asset?
Yes, rich people have money but unless you provide me some factual evidence on what they spend or don’t spend your point is non debatable.
I have provided you with an observation of my mate and his spending. Is he a billionaire? no, is he a millionaire? On paper yeah.
It is getting boring now, you just assume that because Rich people have money and probably everything they want they do not contribute to the economy. My experience is quiet the opposite but please prove me wrong.
A bit quiet out there? Apart from @RedOverTheWater
Source/facts please. Not just a baseless comment. Thanks
I disagree with the self enrichment to a point but otherwise I agree with your post.
I feel that this may have something to do with Social Media and the fact people are shut down with on any comment that does not follow the general narrative. People are scared to be honest, as a society we jump on anything which can be used to score points.
Look at this forum, who gets shut down the most? Anyone with a slightly different view to the main protagonist’s. It is sad and a sign of society. I won’t deny that it doesn’t happen the other way round, it is just the whole whiter than white attitude I get from the LW.
Men like Trump, Erdogan and the Albanian prime minister on his knees with roses, are charmed by her. And I think that’s what matters more than what you and I may think of her looks 
Sorry, mate. I just think that what came after is significantly worse. I don’t like Theresa May. Just compared a grey conservative mouse with clowns, or that is what I tried to do anyway.
