UK Politics Thread (Part 4)

There is a woman is seemingly famous, maybe a GB News personality, who publicly moved out of London a couple of years ago because of the crime and seems to post about once a month how she was just robbed when walking down the street in London because its a hell hole of foreign criminals. Oh and also the police dont care because they dont want to be pictured as being racist for going after [insert racist slur]

You’d think someone with that attitude and experience of London would do more to avoid having to keep going back

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Was it Darren Grimes?

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People outside of London probably only know London from media and media only puts out mostly bad news because it attract eyeballs. Just like how no news talk about the thousands of flights that land safely everyday but one incident…

But another perspective is that people vote and form opinions based on relative experience too. It you live in a place where crime is relatively low, and you hear about one bad experience in a big city like London, you start forming negative opinions in relation to your own lived environment. Similarly, if you have been in London and used to the small niggling negative experiences, it doesn’t bother you much anymore so you think it’s pretty safe as long you know what and where to avoid.

This would all be fine if people thought rationally, but they don’t. They think London is a crime ridden dangerous hellhole and then there are people who wish to benefit from this false perception, and those people say ‘Look at London, full of crime, full of foreigners, vote for me and I’ll solve the problem’.

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Jenrick sacked by Torries for plotting to switch to Remain.

Edit - Ment to say Reform, not Remain

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I think you mean Reform. That’s been a long time coming given his views on things.

I’m left wondering how many will wake up to the so called party that will “save the UK” comprises largely of people that did more damage than most, and were the eyes deep in various elements of corruption?

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I find it interesting that not too long ago, Farage called him a massive fake, so how will that negotiation go knowing that your new boss thinks so little of you

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It doesn’t seem to matter among the extreme right wingers. Look at all the Trump critics who now kiss his fat arse. They’re all a bunch of opportunists who don’t give a shit about loyalty or morals.

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And Zahawi said Farage was basically poison.

@Bekloppt is right. It doesn’t matter. It should, but for “reasons” it doesn’t.

To be honest, Zahawi, Jenrick, and so on should find their political careers ended years ago. Yet they’re still at it. Stinks.

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It’ll be interesting to see where Labour MP’s wash up after the next GE when they realise their party is finished.

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The demise of the Tories and/or Labour has been announced on many occasions in the past, but they always bounce back somehow.
It’s difficult to envisage Reform and the Greens being the only choices in the future.

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They bounce back ‘somehow’ because morons continue to vote them in.

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It’s mainly a property of the first past the post system. People tend to vote for the candidate that is most likely to defeat the candidate that they despise, rather than for what they want. This tends to favour the major parties.

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FIFY

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America has huge problems and they are plain to see under Trump. In light of that, I’m astonished, from afar, that the UK seems to be sliding in the direction of choosing its own version under Farage.

Don’t get me wrong, Trump and America is the more extreme version, and there are some ingredients present in America that make the situation worse, but the people in the UK really need to look across the pond to see the dangers of an extreme right party coming to the fore.

Are the main political parties getting a message across that speaks to the sort of voter who might be tempted to vote Reform? Both to spell out what is bad about it, while also capturing their vote with a better message about better policies?

America has lost its way, we can all can see that, but as an expat looking on from afar it would be galling to see the people of the UK elect Farage and put Reform in to govern. Ugh.

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The special relationship?

edit: The base problems are the same - a lack of money flowing in. For the UK, the Empire ensured for centuries that there was net flow of money in. The US has had the same for a century. Facing the decline, it is acting proactively. The UK played a more nuanced end game but the US will likely face the same outcome, decline, sooner or later.

They won’t win a GE.

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But who will?

It’s also that most voters aren’t extreme, they tend to be either centre right or centre left. They might vote for a more extreme party as a protest, but it’ll be because of disillusion with their party rather than a sudden swing to the margins.

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Cheers for the info. I hope Labour win again. I know they have made a few missteps, but the upper story is they were dealt a poor hand, after so many years of Tory rule, where they stripped everything away and left so many holes to fill.

To my mind, Labour deserve two full terms to try to right the ship, and the public shouldn’t be so short term in expecting miracles, as when Labour got into office the cupboard was bare.

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