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Thatâs correct and itâs disappointing how 14 years of Tory corruption and destructive policies have been so quickly forgotten by so many people.
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I think it goes way deeper and further back that just those 14 years of Tory government.
I donât think itâs any coincidence that many western nations face similar problems and have lurched to the far right in protest or succumbing to the enticing words of those people.
I agree @Noo_Noo, but those 14 years did no harm in preparing the soil for those enticing words to take root in this country and allowing many to feel enabled in expressing some vile and ignorant opinions.
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Yeah, the icing on the cake if you like
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Fair questionâŚI think Starmer will hang on for a while yet, and that that stability will boost Labour when that fuckwit in Washington does something outrageous in Europe. Labour will then be considered the âbest optionâ and form a minority government.
Farage is gonna look like a massive cunt for being so close to Trump when he upends all of our lives.
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bless.
you just keep wishing on your star kiddoâŚ
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Iâm surprised that this story hasnât been given much attention/scrutiny 
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Just like in 2010 
I am mixed in my views here. It is common that a change in Government is because things arenât going well, so although you could argue Labour got dealt a tough hand they wonât be the first.
My mixed views are because Labour/Starmer have done nothing to make me want to vote for them. Still no real direction and a number of u-turns, back tracking on policy.
The Tories/Reform donât provide any answers and therefore any reason to vote for them would be purely down to change, which is what we were told at the last election by Labour.
I think Starmer has been a good statesman internationally but I just canât see the current set up delivering on a National level. Who would replace him though? I canât think of anyone that instills me with confidence. Sad really
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Government throw senior policeman under a bus? In time, this is going to bite them on the arse so hard that they will never get to sit in parliament again.
He made the decision to put the safety and welfare of the citizens under his care over the wishes of a group of thugs, both domestic and international, to cause violence. Pays for it with a politically motivated sacking.
I think the hope I had for Starmer was that he would give primacy to the rule of law and the basic rights of British citizens. With this, he has yet again shown that he will kow tow to violent thugs and pariah international interests.
Frankly, fuck him.
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The thing about the article is that it seems quite vague on what exactly the problem was. Was it an error in the report compilation, i.e. there were grounds to ban the Maccabi Tel Aviv fans (because the games I remember werenât the ones in 2024), but the people compiling the reports used âAIâ crap, or was it a complete fabrication?
One probably has to read the conclusions of the inquiry first.
I agree the report is vague. I used the Guardian because I know it is a trusted source on here. There are other articles which are a bit more blunt, but contain statements which could be seen as sensationalism and devalue the main points.
To summarise, the SAG committee - by their own Minutes - reached a decision to ban the Tel Aviv fans on absence of intelligence.
On making this decision and with the concerns raised about the intelligence, they needed to justify their decision.
Part of their evidence was a âreportâ from the Dutch Police, which was found to be exaggerated and at times untrue. An example, the SAG report stated Tel Aviv fans were throwing locals into the river. Infact, only one incident was reported and it was Pro-Palestine locals who threw a Tel Aviv fan into the River. Fans were also targeted by locals.
You are right there was an incident with using AI for their evidence. It was a match against West Ham which never happened. Craig Guilford got asked on two separate occasions was AI used, to which he denied. He then had to apologise and backtrack as they had used AI and it was an AI hallucination.
From as early as September there was intelligence of Local Muslim youths preparing to target the Tel Aviv fans, this was not mentioned in the SAG report, Infact it was dismissed as there being no report/intelligence on any planned Pro-Palestine issues. When asked why this information had not been presented to the panel Craig Guildfordâs response was âbecause they hadnât been asked for itâ. Infact, this information only came to light due to a whistleblower.
Craig Guilford stated the decision to ban fans was supported by the local Jewish community, a lie which he had to back track on and apologise for.
The inquiry looked into Politcal pressure but this was dismissed. These concerns were raised due to there being at least 2 of the 4 Councillors on the SAG committee, openly advocating for a ban/boycott of the game before the actual investigation.
I guess weâre going to find out fairly soon how Reformâs arse-licking of all things Trump lands with the UK electorate.
Iâm pretty sure theyâre going to be fucking horrified by the latest developments, and if Starmer does what he should and stands with Europe, I surmise there is a good chance he will see a bounce.
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I think youâll find most people are more concerned with their own country being reduced to a 3rd world shithole.
Indeed.
Hence Iâm assuming theyâre all doing cartwheels at the recent good news about the biggest drop in NHS waiting times for years and the better than expected economic growth.
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I honestly think if you were to walk around the streets of Liverpool and did a vox pop you really wouldnât find Greenland featuring very high in the concerns of Mr and Mrs Scouser.
Starmerâs stance on Greenland and Ukraine doesnât seem to be increasing his popularity, even among his own MPs. The last poll I saw recently had Labour trailing in 3rd place, even behind the Conservatives.
The poll places Reform UK on 31pc, ahead of the Conservatives on 21pc with Labour in third place on 17pc. On these figures, Reform is predicted to secure 335 seats with an outright majority of 20, leaving the Conservatives on 92 seats and the Liberal Democrats on 60. Labour would be in sixth place behind the Greens and the SNP.
Yes, it is dire for him, Iâve never suggested otherwise. My original point in this discussion was that Starmer will hang on for a while yet, and as the situation in Europe deteriorates, which I absolutely think it will, his boring, uninspiring nothingness is probably going to stand him in good stead. We shall see.
Labour is having a positive impact in some ways, see above, but their messaging and strategy is generally a fucking shamblesâŚI honestly think he just doesnât give a fuck (heâs not enough of a politician, his political radar is about as useful as a chocolate teapot). He will just keep on plodding along, and as our world continues to burn around us, that stability will, I think, become valuable.
People certainly arenât going to give that trust to Farage, the cunt who is more responsible than anybody for cutting us adrift from our closest allies.
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Heâs a coward too. Pulled out of an interview on the BBC because Zack Polanski was going to be on there too. The guy he called a loon a week or so ago.
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I left the Tories because we gave the Ooga-Booga tribe back its landâŚfmdâŚ
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im not an expert on the matter, but isnt that less to do with âooga booga tribesâ and more to do with giving up on a strategic joint airbase to a country that could align itself with China in the very near future?
could be more to it than him just being a racist dick.
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