In a deal done by his former party.
yep, one of the reasons cited for him walking away from the tories.
im just replying to SBYMs comment about him walking away becuase
which, i think, on my very VERY limited knowledge on the matter, is not a correct take.
happy to be educated otherwise. but in a world where security is less and less diplomatic, POTENTIALLY giving away airbases in strategic locations is at the least worthy of a debate more sophisticated than just calling anyone who disagrees with it as racist. no?
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nail on head. Unfortunately, it is easier for some posters to try and make goofy comments on a perception based opinion. For cheap likes and smiley emojis.
The irony, is that if anyone else referred to the Ancestral land owners as an âOoga-Booga tribeâ the poster of the post you are responding to would be calling them out as a Racist.
I appreciate the comment by the OP was made in jest, but it is not an excuse, especially from someone who sits on his pedestal of self righteousness.
For education
ooga booga - Wiktionary, the free dictionary)%20Mimicking%20African%20languages.
That debate has been had, quite some time ago. Why now cite it as the reason for defecting? If he gave that much of a shit why not jump ship at any point since late-2024?
In any case, the strategic importance argument rests on the assumption that that importance supersedes whatever rights exist for the people who actaully live there. As is clear from my posting history, I believe it does not. You seem to be giving a coloniser mindset due consideration, I am not willing to do that.
I believe he defected because he just couldnât stomach the insult to Rule Britannia, which, when you look at the deal, is debatable anyway. The only thing that isnât debatable is that the Chagossians continue to be fucked over.
Ps. Weak as piss, @Lynch04.
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so if you play out the endgame and the UK/US base is dismantled with maybe some form of reperation for the indigeanous population, what would your additude be if chinese interested just moved straight in?
and if that brings a shrug of shoulders from you, where do you stop when it comes to the west holding foreign military assets? do we bring it back to the walls of dover?
at some point theres a reality to itâŚwe cant keep shoe gazing at our colonial past (well, we can, but you know what i mean in context) at the expense of western security
i mean, look at greenland as an example, maybe the danish should be removing themselves from the territory and return it directly to the indigeanous people⌠the danes were a bit ruthless back in the day, werent they?
on one hand anyone opposing ceding territory has a racist motive, on the other, they are letting a racist motive prevail
The question here is likely money. Can we afford it?? Iâm pretty sure the army chiefs were asked,
Minister: âIs it important?â
Chief, âYes, of course. The Chinese, Russians and the special relationship Sirâ.
Minister: âYour total budget is Xâ
Chief: âWeâll be packed up in a jiffy, Sirâ
Falklands⌠will Farage have the balls? Cash in on the the oil or check out.
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I never defended or even discussed his defection or the reasoning behind it. Yeah, I agree why cite it now
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Why didnât you just say that? You just made the usual moronic remark and threw in a derogatory reference for humour. -
No, you are putting words into my mouth. Please quote where I suggested anything of the kind. Where have I stated my opinion on the sovereignty of the Atols or its importance strategically.
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No one (non military) lives on the Island as they were repatriated. Even then the Chagossians were a mixture of multiple heritage, from the Plantation/Slave era.
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Educate us all on the deal, so we can understand and form our own opinion. Try explaining why you think it is a bad deal, rather than tell us itâs a bad deal, they are getting fucked, and that everyone who disagrees with you is a fucking Colonial wanker.
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You are free to have your opinion. It was the way you delivered it and then referencing the community as an Ooga-Booga tribe.
I havenât called you out as a racist, just provided the meaning of Ooga-Booga and its connotations. Some people may take offence, that is for them to decide but itâs okay, you double down and deflect.
Weak as piss 
well that validates everything.
If youâre gonna have a pop, do it to my face. Donât piggy-back on someone else.
BTWâŚmy post was a reference to Rosindellâs defection. He brought up the Chagos Islands, not me!
I think Rosindell is a piece of shit with imperialist/racist/misogynistic blood pumping through his opportunistic veins.
Iâm all ears as to why I am wrong.
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Thereâs too much to say regarding the snips below but to say we missed an opportunity (and continue to squander it) with how to use higher education would be an understatement.
A slightly older source but it is relatively similarâŚ
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whats the context in these graphs?
what constitutes published research? who certifies it? what fields? can a country just push out published research internally? what is the quality of the research?
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This are publications in peer reviewed journals where research carried out at universities, hospitals and (in some instances) private institutions. The output is basically the baseline or basis for any innovation, period.
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Good post, with logical points.
From the begining of life on earth, it has been survival of the fittest, the theory of evolution. Taking territory, resources, enslaving people, seeking Power.
The British/European empires werenât the first Empires to rule over other countries, but with advancement in technology Colonialism was definitely (without sounding crude) the most commercial/capitalist and documented.
None of us should be made to feel guilty or blamed for decisions/actions our forefathers made in a completely different era to the one we live in now. However, at the same time it is important that we learn and understand the affects Colonialism had on large populations of the world, show empathy and try to correct our mistakes.
Unfortunately, we donât live in an ideal world where everyone is on the same page and as you say it shouldnât be at the expense of some level of security as we see it - After all, we could be the enemy and possibly coerced into believing the principles of the Western world - but thatâs a completely different topic.
I believe the population of the Chagos Islands has never been more than 4,000 or 20,000 with Military personnel. If the island is deemed important strategically then you have to weigh up the risk factor. If by continuing to displace a town sized population on the basis of it potentially saving millions of lives then surely there is only one outcome?
Anyhow, this is not my opinion, just thinking out loud without any real knowledge/understanding just a few internet searches.
Sorry if I have misunderstood. I interpret the graphs as showing the Global importance of each countries value to innovation, ideas. So the UK has slipped down the table as a leader of new technology/medicine/etc.
i think its litterally the amount of studies produced
so a study into cancer research or the amount of radiation past the heliosphere is on a par with a study into, say, why does cheese melt or why are more hamsters right footed than left footed..
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I was going for a slightly different take but in essence you have not misunderstood. We have (had?) some of the most cutting edge institutions that were contributing to new inventions, ideas and knowledge - across all fields. We should have invested more in how to capitalise on that but instead we went for imaginative the mass production of degrees for sale. Meanwhile the output will continue to drop as research and innovation move East.
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now that i can agree with.
I wasnât having a pop. I didnât quote you in the post because or reference you directly.
We donât agree on things, thatâs fine. Look at your posting history to me and reflect on who is the aggressor.
In my post I didnât slander you. Infact, I acknowledged that my grievance with your post wasnât intentional on your part. Then in your response, rather than acknowledge your comment may be seen as offensive you deflect onto me and then misquote me.
I have no reason to have a pop at you, you are your own person, with your own mind and the capability to form your own opinion.
Maybe, allow other people that privilege before jumping on them and shutting down their voice. We all have different lived experiences and in the heat of debate may not explain themselves well. Not everyone who disagrees with you is a Tory, Royalist, Racist, Idiot and also pulling someone up on a spelling mistake 
is not a justified defence.
You referenced the handing back of Land . Anyhow, it has led to debate .
Iâm not saying you are wrong, to be honest I donât really give him much thought. I try not to get wound up by Politicians because I have a low opinion of them - all parties. Infact, I try to only reference them if itâs positive- which sadly is rarely.
We have, since the revolution been a leader in innovation and still are. However, we suffer hugely in lack of investment to support these ideas and rely on foreign investment or these small start ups being brought by US/China. Look at the money China and the US pump into research and the numbers of researchers they employ.
The UK constantly relies on outside investment rather than self promotion - Have a good idea and let others prosper. I also think it is about our reserved nature. This may be stereotyping but China is almost forced by the State to produce results, whilst the US are so bravado, they gain investment by being so sure of their product, sell it well and companies are more willing to invest.
I appreciate my post is not a direct response to your post.
Imagine if Timothy Berners Lee was Chinese, the Internet would be state owned. An idea which has made Billionaires over night, given to the world for free - I know there were other pioneers and not as straightforward