UK Politics Thread (Part 4)

[Bekloppt]

Something like what has happened to this thread.

[sandsoftime]

If ya think standing in dog shit is gross… Its nothing compared to standing in Fox shit - Smell is 100times worse times ten…!
Everyday is a school day on here eh :0)

[Cologne-Liverpool]

@RedWhippet

I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt on the language

Much appreciated.

[RedWhippet]

@sandsoftime

If ya think standing in dog shit is gross… Its nothing compared to standing in Fox shit - Smell is 100times worse times ten…!

I’ve had a whippet roll in the stuff. I’m still waiting for a washing machine to come with a “Woollens and Whippets” option. I’m told that in the US with skunks you simply take the dog down to the pound for a fortnight.

Anyway, UK politics. Foxshit: I blame Starmer!

[Noo_Noo]

@sandsoftime

If ya think standing in dog shit is gross… Its nothing compared to standing in Fox shit - Smell is 100times worse times ten…!
Everyday is a school day on here eh :0)

My dog loves to roll in fox shit, badger shit, dead birds, dead fish, anything that stinks actually. She rolls in it then looks you dead in the eye with a look of complete satisfaction.

That changes pretty quick when she susses that a bath is coming.

[Dane]

I’d forgotten how rancid young puppy shit smells until just recently

[WeeJoe]

@sandsoftime

If ya think standing in dog shit is gross… Its nothing compared to standing in Fox shit

Watching Fox News is even worse

[gasband]

It is definitely not as widely taken compared to people in the west as I can see.

[Redbj]

swing and a miss…

[gasband]

Bollocks is what I see alot in this forum written by people like you but it’s just that I am not so overly eager to be right like you are on the internet.

[Mascot]

@gasband

Bollocks is what I see alot in this forum written by people like you but it’s just that I am not so overly eager to be right like you are on the internet.

To be fair, I wasn’t the only one who didn’t have a fucking clue what you were on about. Why on Earth are you talking about fucking pronouns?

[Arminius]

@Bekloppt

Something like what has happened to this thread.

I definitely don’t understand what is going on in UK Politics

[Klopptimist]

Compared to over the pond, sanity and organisation

[Klopptimist]

https://x.com/basil_tgmd/status/1856672931734081648?s=46&t=OQ6N9bHrXqbJMKmFZJ79DA

[Bekloppt]

The Labour government is rabidly left wing/pathetically moderate depending on your point of view. The Tories are becoming ever more extreme, will probably end up calling themselves MABA.

[Lynch04]

@Mascot

I think there is also a question around whether something is a lie, or whether it’s a change of policy because of the position you find yourself in.

@Mascot

I genuinely think a lot of the accusations of lying that get thrown around in politics are not lies. A lot of it is not being able to do what you said you wanted to do, because of what you are dealing with.

I completely agree with these points and have mentioned it a few times regarding the Budget and Labour having to make tough calls, which they potentially could not foresee until in power.

However, in the same sentence how the public judge these decisions come down to political alignment.
I am aware of your political stance and I respect you for that. But, I think you are guilty of exactly the same thing as what you are suggesting. We all are to a degree, some more so than others.

@Mascot

Two of the most egregious lies told to the British Public. The leave campaign’s continual assertions throughout the Brexit Campaign. They knew they were lying. They carried on. Blair assertions around Iraq’s weapons capability, and taking us to war on that basis. He was lying and he knew it was nonsense.

So, the Leave campaign was full of lies, maybe so, but so was the Remain campaign. Going on your post (first two quotes), is it wrong to suggest that the Leave campaign, could not follow through on some of its “Lies” because they were unable to do what they wanted to, because of what they were dealing with? The position they found themselves in?
Strong opposition by the public, getting it voted through parliament and in agreement with the EU. Surely, that follows your logic.
Is it wrong to suggest that after Brexit, the Remains “continual assertions” of needing an Emergency budget, the House Market crashing, unemployment rising by 500,000, a mass exodus from London by the Financial sector, big Car manufacturers leaving the UK, etc could have been lies?

@Mascot

And a lot of the time politicians can’t be truthful because the public are thick as fuck and can’t make good decisions.

Are you including yourself in that statement or just everyone who disagree’s with you?

[Magnus]

@gasband

The fact that someone stepping on dog shit cannot be compared to someone stepping on a landmine. Don’t the great democracies tell us we cannot decide on other people’s behalf how they feel? If the guy stepping on dog shit feels it’s as he stepped on a landmine, we should validate that. So if a person who was mislabeled pronoun wise says that is an act of violence, we should accept it like violence committed in warzones?

I think, by observing from (Singapore?), you have misunderstood rather a lot of nuances here. There is, even according to those you are here critical of, something called a hierarchy (the word relative also comes to mind). You know, a hierarchy as in someone calling you a fool, then someone calling you a mindless cunt and later far worse, then someone actually breaking your bones, then someone breaking your bones, but in a sadistic torture-like manner. Then raping you as well. Then killing you. Then killing you and then mutilating your corpse. Then killing you and then mutilating your corpse while also sending the pieces back to your mother with a video of how you were tortured and murdered.

You know, scale. So rather obviously, no one half sane would think that someone calling someone a man, if they identify as a female, is equally serious as breaking someone’s bones or indeed violence committed in a war.

Anyway, sorry. I saw now scrolling down, that a lot of others had replied to you, so my reply was rather superfluous tbh. But what you wrote wasn’t sensible really. Relativity, nuance, scale and hierarchy. Or a pyramid (or onion if you prefer).
Maybe a bit more simply put; questions of identity and certainly less important ones such as what pronouns one personally prefers, is only ever interesting if you are located a bit higher up on Maslow’s pyramid.
If you are located a bit further down, you have, generally speaking, different priorities.

Visual Example:

[Lynch04]

@Mascot

@gasband

The fact that someone stepping on dog shit cannot be compared to someone stepping on a landmine. Don’t the great democracies tell us we cannot decide on other people’s behalf how they feel? If the guy stepping on dog shit feels it’s as he stepped on a landmine, we should validate that. So if a person who was mislabeled pronoun wise says that is an act of violence, we should accept it like violence committed in warzones?

The most impressive part of that was that you thought it in your head, wrote it down, read it back, decided to press reply, and at no point did you notice that it was bollocks

Maybe the most impressive part, is that you are ignorant enough, to consider that English may not be the poster’s native language. I suppose it is easier to mock someone and put a in your reply, than actually say that their point may have been lost in translation and ask if they could elaborate.

My understanding of @gasbands post is (so please accept that they haven’t actually said this) is that stepping on Dog shit or a landmine is non comparable. Even so, what gives you the right to decide on how the said person views their situation. The western world/democracy claim to value the freedom of speech/mind/opinion, but in fact, there is a percentage of the population, like yourself. Who consider their opinions more important than others and rather than respect or consider other peoples opinions are only too keen to dismiss them as stupid.

Anyhow, that’s just my interpretation of their post. Maybe, ask them to explain just for clarity.

[Arminius]

@Bekloppt

The Labour government is rabidly left wing/pathetically moderate depending on your point of view. The Tories are becoming ever more extreme, will probably end up calling themselves MABA.

Right, I had that, just not clear where the robot lawnmowers going over dogshit fit in? Is that a Westminster thing?

[Redbj]

@Magnus

You know, a hierarchy as in someone calling you a fool, then someone calling you a mindless cunt and later far worse, then someone actually breaking your bones, then someone breaking your bones, but in a sadistic torture-like manner. Then raping you as well. Then killing you. Then killing you and then mutilating your corpse. Then killing you and then mutilating your corpse while also sending the pieces back to your mother with a video of how you were tortured and murdered.

that escalated quickly…