UK Politics Thread (Part 4)

:joy::joy: you got me here.

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The hostility really came from the top. There were various assurances and protections that should have been in place from day one, but they were more interested in appeasing Tory entryists. FWIW, I think Theresa May did try to protect people’s rights, but she was outnumbered by some fairly grotesque members of her own party. It rather reminded me of John Major.

My rights, and those of my family were secured by the German government, not the government of my own country.

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Agree here. The Uk is desperately short of all trades, engineers, architects etc. Everything technical.

In my local area it’s desperate. Builders, plasterers, etc. get to choose what jobs they want. We’ve been looking for 3 years for someone to re render the outside of our house. No one is interested.

From my previous site perspective, most trades people were self employed. From there it would make sense to lean towards a party that offers the most benefit when it comes to tax time. A bit like farmers I guess. They tend to lean towards low taxation parties.

Other issues with building are planning. No surprise that certain politicians have consultancies that are used to challenge planning applications after supporting the policy they voted for. The process is overly complicated but developers don’t like restrictions that are placed on any new development. Green spaces, sustainable drainage, no. of affordable houses etc. eats into profit.

Another less publicised issue will be land ownership. Private entities own significant swathes of land which they simply hold onto until conditions are more favourable.

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Again I am sorry to hear that.

I personally have had an experience where my rights were invalid because I hadn’t worked there for a two year period. I was a bit disappointed that the current government rowed back on this recently.

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I had a similar experience and as I have referenced to it before I will not go into it. I’ll only mention that it was at two levels for us, my partner being German and our kids duel citizens, it was at the border crossings and the language around the paperwork and the paperwork to secure the rights of my wife and children to be in and work in the UK.

We have left and only go back for family occasions, and once my parents have passed, I’ll have no reason to go across other than the occasional business trip.

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David Squires in Ratcliffe.

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The last minute or so of this is so fucking bang on it’s scary.

Cue the billionaire apologism…it’s not really the fault of a system that exists solely to funnel money upwards…Keir Starmer is actually to blame.

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Yup and we owe it to them to become progressively destitute so the poor dears can keep hoarding their billions.

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:laughing:
One of the extremely few values of the Hard Right that I have respected, is high willingness to sacrifice, high willingness to die for others or an ideal. It is literally the one thing I have respected, as their other values are awful. But at least they were brave, some even valiant, despite the cause being sucky.

Usually the Far Right are associated with extremely masculine traits and symbols. Arrows, swords, axes, bunbles, eagles, wolves, bears and so on. Phallos symbols etc.
But this ? This is Eunuch Nationalism…

I mean, excuse my language, but what a little bitch! No f-ing way would I want others to think me a total craven, but he even broadcasts it !?

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I have no respect for the Hard Right and struggle with ā€œjustā€ the current Right as it is.

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More importantly, it could help revive high streets, by giving them the demand that might help them pivot towards services that locals would use, like good independent cafes, etc.

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wouldnt people working from home put LESS foot traffic on the high street?

Yeah, but I don’t want to be misunderstood here. I don’t respect the Hard Right, just the single Aristotelian value/virtue of bravery, which they share with many, many others.

Lunch? Instead of going to chains in city centres they could be patronising independents at home?

I’ll need to dig it up, but I remember there being some reports of this happening, at least in the UK, where because of working from home due to lockdowns and the like, local business enjoyed a mini-boom at the cost of the big chains.

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I guessed you meant it like that but somehow my mind was drawn to two points.

  1. Good people die in old age after a life time of servitude to and for their family, job, religion, etc
  2. ISIS, Drug cartels and the like show similar traits (shared as you said)

I almost deleted my first post as I often only reply in short statements and sometimes/often(?) the meaning I want to convey is lost or worse, confused.

I would only add that there are better answers than actively shortening your life span, in the 1st world at least, by putting energy into supporting the Hard Right - it seems a bit lazy and self-indulgent.

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Yes, well I agree with you (apart from your statement that good people die old, which I find quite problematic but have no wish to debate). I thought that was crystal clear. Surprised it isn’t.

Diversion anyway, I have no interest in writing long about moral philosopy and traditional virtues and the Hard Right. I found the man (reform guy) particularly pathetic, and more so than nationalists traditionally want to be viewed.

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See confused… I meant it in that ā€œMany Good/Law biding peopleā€ as opposed to the people who also become President at a ripe old age…

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