UK Politics Thread (Part 4)

Stepping away from the stench of Deform for a moment…

and…

We’re up to our noses in festering shit, and some think picking on certain ‘groups’ or ‘types’ will solve everything :roll_eyes:

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From that first link:

Just, wow.

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Regarding Starmer’s presser, why are many of the questions about why we are not taking part in the war? Odd as I would have though keeping out of it as much as possible would be a good thing.

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Simply because the British media are war mongering stooges , basically assets to the world war machine, keeps people indoctrinated…

Not a fan of starmer , but he is well versed on international law, and knows this is illegal, and given the shit that happened after 911, you’d think the media would actually agree with him…on this he is actually doing well by not jumping into bed with trump like blair did with bush…they even used the same toothpaste brand :rofl:

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It’s especially weird, given how many of them have spent the last decade ranting endlessly about sovereignty.

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I’m rather reminded of the Harold Wilson keeping the UK out of the Vietnam War. He was castigated over it, but essentially he could see what a shitshow it was going to be.

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Is there such a thing as an intervention that ends well?

p.s. I wonder if that is the reason for the great silence…

I noticed this opinion piece regarding the decline in healthy life expectancy in the UK:

It’s interesting that there is so little noise in the media about this, because it is shocking. Possibly, it is because all the major political parties are guilty of having the causes for this on their watch.

I was speaking to my sister about this. She works in healthcare and says that she notices lots of ill-heath amongst the Gen-X cohort (roughly people aged 45-60) and says that there are a lot of factors there at play. This was the generation that faced the full effect of the heroin epidemic of the 1980s and 1990s, the AIDS epidemic, and factors such as binge drinking, as well as being the start of reduction of aid for things like housing and education.

What I can’t find data on is the effect of income and housing. I couldn’t find this on the ONS website, but it is typically heavily correlated to health outcomes.

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I think it’s a very basic health issue. Processed foods. Big agro-alimetation companies that took over after the war and now made even worst with it all being made far far away.
Also reliance on big pharma for anti-inflammatory/pain relief.

It was mentioned on France Info. The concern being the inability of many to work after the age of 60 so increasing retirement age could become counter productive eventually.

We live longer yet in poorer health.

Now there’s the problem of getting health care. Health advise being geared to multinational wishes. People becoming poorer than the X generation was.Systems are crumbling.

It was infered that this will get worse.

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Funnily enough, I was talking to one of my old colleagues about this the other day. He has been running research on ultra processed food. The problem they have had is actually defining it. You sort of know what they mean, but actually being able to quantify it is rather difficult. It’s a bit like the nutritional information label. It’s possible to produce a concoction that contains nothing that has ever been near an agricultural process, but it looks great on paper.

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My grandson loves chicken nuggets yet the ingredient list looks woeful :sad_but_relieved_face:. Is there any chicken :poultry_leg: in them?

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Probably mechanically separated chicken. It’s protein rather than actual meat.

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Gen-X was the latch key generation. This was the time that cost of living swung in a large enough shift that both parents started to work fulltime. Kids would get home and not have any supervision so would often end up being responsible for feeding themselves, so would look for what kids want to eat, rather than what kids should eat.

Microwave meals also rose in popularity around this time due to both parents working, neither had time to cook a proper healthy meal.

It was also around this time that education standards in certain fields dropped, cooking/home ec being one of them, so kids weren’t learning to cook properly at school or at home, so nutritian and health was always going to become a problem for that generation.

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Very late to this, but was it really Labour who had this van? With all the lies on display. this looks rather like a move from Reform, no?

Just checked and can’t find any follow article or further info, just the the original article from the National saying Greens have reported Labour.

Prob not safe to blame Reform just because they ‘seem like the sort’ though.

It was mentioned in passing on The Last Leg last week. It will probably end up on an Electoral Commission report.

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Worth a listen, especially the first part which explains the process the government has to take prior to any military mobilisation. This comes from the Chillcot report following Iraq. It explains things that Badenoch, Farage and the press should know. But we all know they are disingenuous actors in this

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Following up on the food policy, Chris Whitty hss commented about this:

England’s chief medical officer says the drugs are “transformational” for people who need them, but this should be “a very small minority”.
Letting people become obese, to then medicate them for life would be “shocking” and the “wrong answer” to one of the most pressing health issues in the UK, he says.
Instead, Sir Chris says the UK should learn from other countries, including France, which are doing a much better job of eating healthily and preventing obesity.

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