UK Politics Thread (Part 4)

Biggest parenting mistake I’ve ever made was allowing my lad to have social media. He’s made some very bad choices through the platforms and put himself in a lot of danger. It’s given us the excuse to take all the SM off his phone, but it is properly scary. Even outside the real world danger, the opinions he cones out with are terrifying.

His younger brother is wanting social media now because his friends are starting to get on platforms. Hard no.

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I didn’t let my daughter have a smartphone until she was 13. I wanted to go longer, but it seemed like a daily battle just to get to that age. She had plenty of dark days with crap on SM but I am thankful she is through it and doing well as a young adult.

Hats off to all parents who are navigating it now. It’s crazy out there.

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Do you have any proven instance of Khan spreading disinformation on social media?

i no longer use Social Media, and cant be arsed signing up again to prove what i wrote, due to the amount if BS on it! ***

however i did do a quick google search and Khan has been accused of misleading the public regarding a few things e.g. London grooming gangs.

I’m sure his comments will be out there somewhere on Social media as its the quickest way for people in the public eye to spread a message

*** I tried to quit X last week, but could only deactivate my account, but it will close my account down after 30 days if i dont reactivate it within the 30 days!

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He was accused by a bunch of slavering right wingers because, when asked whether London had grooming gangs like the Rotherham one, he said no, there aren’t those kind of gangs, but there are other, different ones. The headline was then, ‘Khan claims no grooming gangs in London’.
So, in other words, a ‘scandal’ was manufactured.
Why is it important? Because you dismissed his criticism of online disinformation campaigns, particularly against London, with the attitude that ‘they’re all the same’. This is a very dangerous attitude as it leads to resignation, apathy and a green light for politicians to lie, cheat and steal.
They are not actually ‘all the same’. Some are better, some are worse, and some are downright evil.

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Slavering right wingers like Maggie Oliver? interesting…

Meanwhile AI…

i stand by my original post about Khan complaining about disinformation on social Media

So Mayor and police were commenting on a specific type of gang with a specific cultural background. The Express etc picked it up and fanned the flames.
None of that disqualifies Khan from calling out the misrepresentation of London.

Which AI and which sources?

If you want primary sources, there was this Q&A between Khan and Susan Hall in which there was some semantics about what was meant by a grooming gang:

https://www.london.gov.uk/who-we-are/what-london-assembly-does/questions-mayor/find-an-answer/keeping-londoners-safe-0

Looking at the AI responses to Maggie Oliver I can only see responses linking it to Rotherham style gangs from unreliable sources (including the likes of the BNP. These shouldn’t be included in summaries without specific warnings)

I suspect that Khan is weary of this being used as an excuse for racial profiling of offenders, which seemed to be why he was pushing Susan Hall to say what she meant.

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Sorry all, I know there’s a cycling thread, but I thought it deserves a wider audience. Some really interesting points made here.

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i read the script in the link last night, thanks.

the AI souce was google, i asked if Sadiq Khan had ever misinformed the public?

Re: Margret Oliver, there’s a few stories in The Times newpaper about Oliver calling out Khan about London grooming gangs, they are behind a paywall and I’m too tight to sign up!

I did find this in the Spectator…

Many campaigners, including Maggie Oliver who blew the whistle on grooming gangs in Rochdale, called London the ‘last bastion’ of the cover-up.

Has there been a cover-up of London grooming gangs? | The Spectator

or does the spectator not count as its right leaning?

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It still doesn’t quote its sources and most of the publications quoting this are renowned for being economical with the truth.

TBH it wouldn’t surprise me if elements within the Met have been involved in child sex abuse, given their long history of corruption and cover-ups. However, the tone of these is that Khan is colluding with them, and that his reason for collusion is to protect Muslim abusers. That’s one hell of a jump.

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Not going to comment on the rest of the info but i would ignore pretty much anything from the Spectator. Very unreliable source with tendency towards the right wing ‘vibing’ rather than anything evidrnce based.

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Unlike The Economist ( he said, trying to neatly tie up all the loose strands of this debate).

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can i just add…

when i used to use FB, i liked checking out the Britain First FB page and the Aniifa FB page,

just to confuse any watchers/authoritiess…

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another one who thinks Slot won with Klopps team?

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I know I probably shouldn’t, but that radical left propaganda rag The Spectator has just published this, and I couldn’t resist:

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