What are the views and goals of the Uk? Do they parrot the US? Or Russia? Are the views and goals realistic and ultimately morale?
I meant of the individual voter.
For example if somebody prefers a more socialist economy, or reduced immigration, or a big focus on certain sectors.
All that should matter to a person is if a party exists to further the interests and the route to progress they believe in.
It´s a nothing stat. Immigration is still the better part of a million a year. The population of Leeds arriving every single year.
Net migration has dropped but a lot of that is because British people are leaving at a higher rate so the difference between in and out (net) is lower. If you´re against mass immigration you´d argue Brits are replaced at a higher rate. Even net migration was still a small city like Hull added to the population.
There is a lack or perspective in the Uk (and Europe). Petty/Local expectations should be a tad lower. It should really be about resetting national agendas rather than pushing individual or local needs. But I guess my point is pretty moot.
But im talking about national agendas not local ones
Exrapolating these local results for the national stage.
Does the average individual understand these items in the same way? There is such a gulf in how people perceive each of these items that there is really no point in trying to accommodate any of them. I wonder if it is too far gone to mend - i.e. getting people into the same town - let alone the same library/ section / book / page?
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I find it interesting that the Conservatives promised less immigration with Brexit, but exchanged immigration of Europeans that are easy to integrate, with far higher than previous, immigration from non-EU states that are again obviously far harder to integrate and which de facto aids forces like Reform.
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UK is f*cked 
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Being facetious, and pouring fuel on your pyre, maybe as they are just easier to spot something like UkICE will be more effective⌠4D villainy?
Who knows? Who am I to say if they understand them or not.
Maybe i don´t.
I think it tells you that the powers that be want mass immigration, one way or another.
I just hope they do a really crap job and people wake up to it.
Long shot though.
I certainly do not understand those points to the detail that is required to have a definitive position. At some point you need a national agenda beyond antiimmigration, oil/no oil, renewable/non-renewable and whether farmers should pay inheritance taxâŚ
My fear is we will vote for anyone that says they will maintain the status quo, i.e. âRule Britanniaâ, âvive la Franceâ, âDeutschland (1st verse)â and this will eventually cause the status quo to break.
Thatâs just not true. People want the politicians to read the room. They want them to understand the mood of the people and act in an appropriate way.
Nobody voted for what has been foisted upon them over the last few decades and thatâs why the 2 main partyâs are dead ducks today. Years and years of the 2 main partyâs turning a deaf ear and failing to act on what theyâre being told.
Thatâs 100% on politicians and itâs why Reform have emerged as the party most likely to smash the 2 party system.
You might not like it, you might not like what you percieve as the reasoning behind it but blaming voters for putting their faith in a party they think might actually deliver what they want is just petty.
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And John Lennon has been shot.
we have a similar dynamic here in Oz regarding Pasuline Hansons one nation.
the difference (thank fuck) for us, and this is only a basic understanding i have here of your politics) is that we can opt for an independant or alternative party and will have representation in Parliment.
i dont understand in Australia why, when people are sick to death of the two major parties, they would then look at âone nationâ and think thats the change we needâŚ
its pretty much scrapping the shit from your shoe and then stepping in the next pile on purpose.
just need an independant that aligns somewhere with your views
i agree with @jaffod though, not @Mascot , you cant blame the voters⌠the malaise is more sophisticated than that⌠i understand Mascots point, but i disgaree with itâŚ
voters shouldnt need a degree in politics to understand the repercusions of thier vote⌠politicians should NOT be given this free pass to manipulate
how we get there as a species, i do not knowâŚbut we need to figure it out
the firmi paradox
we are probably at the point as a species where we either kill each other, or evolve to understand the need for the greater good, and focus on becoming interstellar, whther theres any appetite from the ruling class to make that 6 billion souls, or just a couple of hundred thousand⌠thats the scary part
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Anyone with half a brain should see migration as a benefit. We have a massive problem with an aging population, not enough working age people to support them, and young people have been by and large priced out of having children.
Which would be great, wouldnât it. A nice new party to smash the status quo.
Except, oh look. It turns out reform are exactly the same fuckers who destroyed the country in the first place. Not the same type of people. The exact same people.
And Iâm sorry, but yes. People have voted for what has been foisted upon them for the last two decades. Thatâs the fucking problem. People voted for Brexit and it created the decline in living standards, shit filled rivers, runaway cost of living and the small boats crisis. Now the same frog faced cunt that created these issue is standing there telling you he is the solution.
So yes, the voters are the problem. 100% weâre ungovernable. Weâre thick, we donât pay any attention and we consistently vote against our own self interests and in favour of kicking ourselves in the balls over and over again, because a fucking ghoul like Farage gives us permission to blame foreigners for our own rank stupidity.
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Anyone who knows even the basics of economics knows that is not the case.
Lets take housing. You really think adding a small city worth of people to your population has no impact on the housing crisis?
Young people are priced out of having children because wages don´t increase (massive competition for jobs made worse by mass immigration) and housing is expensive (made worse by competition for housing for mass immigration). You´re in massive denial if you think migration is purely a benefit (some can be) and doesnt come with some serious complications.
By the way, we have fairly high youth unemployment, very high amounts of young people not even looking for work who dont count as unemployed, and supposedly jobs about to be lost to AI. We have enough young people to do the work, even if it should be easier to have children.
Pretty much the response I expected but the rot set in a long, long time before Brexit and Reform were a thing, unless you think we were all living in some Utopian GB pre-2016.
Successive governments have promised to fix the NHS, build enough new homes, reduce crime, build more schools, fix the roads, raise wages, reduce tax, drag millions of kids out of poverty, improve public services etc etc etc.
Theyâve all failed miserably.
But if you want to blame a frog-faced cunt whoâs never been in power who leads a party that is less than 10 years old then knock yourself out.
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