UK Politics Thread (Part 4)

Agreed if they were implemented in one hit, but there’s nothing to stop you saying you’re open to change, starting the process, and even making small changes that come in over a number of years.

Another one was looking at Duchy of Lancaster funding. That one boils my blood.

They were all flatly refused, in an almost Tory fashion.

Here’s some examples of how Wales gets screwed by Westminster

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Concerned from afar, looking at my home and seeing all the Reform gains. Obviously America has gone off the deep end and needs to somehow be retrieved before it is gone. It is its own special blend of disaster right now, both for here and the world.

But some of the ingredients that have given rise to this are playing out elsewhere, albeit usually in less extreme ways. Still, I’m concerned to see Reform making such gains in my homeland. Things are taking a turn to the far right, and nativism and xenophobia are on the rise, with all the bad things that brings.

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We’re ungovernable. Everyone wants to blame politicians. I think the biggest problem is the voters. Ultimately people get the governments they deserve.

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This makes me sad.

I love Wales and the Welsh.

I hope to go there one day and meet one.

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Well, there is at least two things. Such discussions often come with a price tag, otherwise you still get criticised for not taking the discussions seriously. Any financial commitment whether for funding today or in 5 years is going to be considered by the OBR et al when assessing the governments spending.

Sorry, I don’t read facebook so I don’t know what points are being made in that link.

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I see 45 of the 136 councils have declared no majority won…bang on a third.

Maybe the Age of Listening and Compromise is upon us?

No. I think that may be down to the way local elections are structured as to how many seats are up. Where I live, all the seats are voted on at the same time. However, other LAs may have just half or a third of their seats being voted for. In a number of places, such as Halton as Rambler mentioned, Labour had about enough of its seats not up for election this year not to lose control despite losing a significant number of seats, but there will be others where it hasn’t done so.

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Why won’t you listen to my point of view?

I’m trying to compromise. This is what’s wrong with the world.

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I met one once…meh.

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I met their prince once. Could sing the most beautiful and relaxing songs to fall asleep too :rofl:

I am so saddened that the three main parties haven’t sorted themselves out. Now, Reform have gained more seats, even though Farage is a deceitful charlatan. Can’t these voters see right through him? I fear Reform will win the next general election.

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You can’t take one home.

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No worries and you make a fair point. Here are some points made in the Facebook clip

  1. Wales has a fixed annual borrowing limit of £150m up to a maximum of £1bn total. Scotland has treble than and it’s linked to inflation. So it goes up every year. That is less borrowing capacity than some councils.
  2. Wales is punished for any government underspend. It has a budget of £27bn. It’s allowed an underspend of £350m to be carried over, but only gets £175m back of the £350m. So when the Welsh government saved a fortune setting up contact tracing through local authorities during COVID, (England palmed it out to Serco), they got none of that saving. It went back to the treasury.
  3. Last one is railways, HS2. Scottish railways are devolved. So when HS2 was built, Scotland received consequential money, lots of it. Wales receive no such thing.
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Tom Jones?

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Well we kept them out but the fear now is that Plaid suffer the same hatchet job from two directions that Labour have in Westminster.

I hope they’re on their game

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Do you think they will do a coalition with Labour or a minority government?

Yeah, I think so.

That will also add fuel to the fire.

One of the major campaign points was that a vote for Plaid was a vote for Labour

Actually second thoughts maybe not. Reform and conservatives can only muster 41 votes, so they may go it alone and seek support on a vote by vote basis.

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Why? Who cares about the main parties?

It´s not football and we don´t owe them any allegiance. They can die as parties for all we should care.

The only thing to be sad about is if no parties represent your views and goals for the UK. The uniparty hold being broken is probably a good thing.

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For me, while it´s not all public sentiment, these elections were a very clear demonstartion that a big part of the UK wants something done about mass immigration and it most likely reversed.

If parties don´t listen it will move to the right again, and so on. Parties need to week up.

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And yet immigration has been falling for the last few years…

What this tells me is that a big part of the UK is fucking stupid.

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