UK Politics Thread (Part 4)

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It´s okay, I knew you didn´t really know.
Especially as I am from an from an economics background.

Wait until you find out that even those left wing studies say it puts downwards pressure on low-income wages. Basically increasing the inequality that the Greens complain about.

He did that not because he didn’t know, but that honestly speaking, if you just type in what I did: “study on the economic impact of migration to the uk” in any good search engine, you would find many relevant studies.
I am not dissing you, maybe you didn’t know that. And I don’t know you. But what I do know is that people who have studied any kind of humaniora subject in college or university could almost instantly tell you that you are quite incorrect.
There are countless studies. Including new ones, and no, they are not from Think Tanks.
That doesn’t mean that immigration is unproblematic, I could list many problems (but I won’t be bothered to now), such as integration, crime, less social cohesion and many more. But what Mascot wrote and what you wrote, was about the economy; and overall for the UK economy it is positive. For an economy such as that which the UK has, it is even strictly necessary to avoid a deep recession.
But of course, you can cut it some, you can also refuse to take in asylum seekers (which of course tends to be the weakest and most costly group to integrate). You can adjust it (and note how I am on purpose not wading into the morality issue, I have no interest in a long debate over that, even though I think it is essential to take in some asylum seekers, it’s irrelevant what I think), but specifically, Mascot is 100% correct that it is a Net benefit for the UK (net means overall, it doesn’t mean that there are no negatives). If it was not, I can guarantee you that a Conservative party worried about the “Rise” of parties to the right of it, would not have imported as much as they actually did in power.

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I am not going to read this myself, but it’s an example of something that comes up on Google Search. If you use an academic database, hundreds more research articles will come up.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/3657331

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Fun fact, I know that girl’s father.

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That was for once an extraordinary Fun Fact !

Go on, ellaborate and tell us a good yarn and take this thread a bit OOT in an innocent direction :slight_smile:

He’s a doctor. I’ve known him since he was in high school (lost contact more in recent years). I know his dad better.

He’s a fun-loving fella and his wife is great too. They got into a little thing with their daughters and their expressions on social media, and it became a hit. I won’t say his last name but his first name is Charley.

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Yeah, don’t mention names !

I was just curious as to that little story. Thanks :slight_smile:

Another related fun fact. His sister is married to the drummer from the band, censored.

It’s a small world!

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I was about to say that you made it too easy for me, but it’s too much work finding out exactly which censored it is, so I could identify censored

But it was very possible. But it would take me a lot of time and I don’t want to do it ! :smiley:

Yeah, leave them be, I said too much! Back in the day I dated their older sister for a bit. Lovely family. It has always made me laugh seeing those little girls on all the internet memes. They are older now, mind.

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I am not a malicious internet troll, don’t worry.
But notably, they excist so I actually just wrote what I wrote to highlight how much I could do with so little information, if I had the time. And I am not used to do it, someone who does it a lot, would spend far less time on it.

Always worth considering. I sometimes worry when I expose pictures from Norway. If anyone wants to geolocate them, it is very easy to say the least and due to how few people there are, it would be easy to identify me. Often I think that the Away Section should be closed for outsiders and be Members Only, for I often see people post stuff that is innocent but very traceable.

On a forum such as this, some form of limited trust is necessary or we cannot ever be honest with each other, but it’s worth considering what outsiders can read and what they potentially can do with that information.

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I´ve done my many years at university studying economics and I´m well aware of the studies.

But thanks for the tip. I should have just used search engines.

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Who is related to Diomande?

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But then you know you have two options (I also find it very odd that you wrote that the studies are from leftist think tanks, since you then know that to be bullshit yourself, if you indeed studied economics in uni, so a bit perplexing then that you wrote that).

A) Either cut immigration to a minimum and only accept highly skilled migrants from advanced states, while being aware that this will mean that the UK will go through a major recession and it’s economy would contract, leading to many related social and economic issues. Or B) accept high immigration to preserve the NHS and production in society to keep GDP up.

Ever since 1945, Britain has relied more and more on high immigration (higher and higher) to make the wheels turn around, unlike my country, where immigration started in the 70s.

I suggest it is going to be rather rough to reverse the changes since 1945, if that is the goal of Reform.

Personally, I suggest that a C) might be possible (sort of a compromise): Lower but not cut, immigration from socioeconomically and sociopolitically weak/dysfuntional states, make family reunion harder (set a far higher target for what a man or woman must earn to bring their family over) to decrease the sociopolitical strain on society, while still accepting a lot of immigrant to avoid recession. I would suggest that the UK under “C” also lower a bit the asylum seekers it takes in. I would also suggest something you would like, more active deportation policy of those who have had their asylum application turned down. But of course, part of the problem in the UK, is that you have a lot of illegal immigrants from states where it is impossible to send them back to, and this doesn’t solve that particular problem.

But honestly, mostly I am a dear friend of C to avoid sociopolitical issues and strain that brings the likes of Reform to power, I note. So you may not agree with my starting point (but shouldn’t really be relevant).

Of course, you people have made C much harder by voting Brexit, but that is not my problem. Incidentally, C resembles Danish and Norwegian policy, with modifications (though we have given Ukrainians “Collective protection”, so rules and normal procedure have not applied to them, though that was a strategic choice to support the Ukrainian state specifically).

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To be honest, I checked out when he blamed immigration for downward pressure on wages, with the lack of self awareness typical of anyone up to their eyeballs in neo-liberal economic theory.

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Bonkers…

On another note I have just been listening to a vox pop on the BBC in Essex asking who they voted for and why. All bar one said Reform but none when asked could name a single policy except sending the boats back.

When Starmer kept saying he was going to “smash the gangs” I knew it would come back to haunt him and it is now trotted out as the major promise he didn’t keep. It was very foolish…

If Labour think they can turn this round by just changing leader then they are certainly mistaken. It is a bandwagon which surely now has to take its course. Unless Labour and the Greens come to an arrangement we will certainly see PM Farage and we will have to survive it…

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Fairly standard I would think. Although, Essex has quite a few areas that could be expected to vote for Reform. Some of it is particularly poor (and white?). Like Kent it has its fair share of disgruntled people who have moved there from London because it is too expensive. Farage also has his constituency there in Clacton.

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And yet small boat arrivals are down by 36% compared to last year.

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Deportations are up too.

It doesn’t matter. While the government are doing the right things here, their success isn’t getting out.

I think you said that Farage will not resolve the issue. It’s in his interest to prop it up as the Tories did. I agree with that. The prize here is leaving the ECHR and people’s data imo. Palantir worries me enormously.

In my opinion it’s a huge shame that people have every right to be angry at a system that is failing them, but can’t or refuse to see the next stage in the grift. Maybe we have to live through it? I’d hope not to be honest.

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