UK Politics Thread (Part 4)

It’s not like you to make a comment without providing the context behind it.

So to @Mascot and yourself, as of 2024 there were 165 billionaires in the UK, not 200. In 2010 there were 53, not 20. UK population 69m

Australia, in 2024 there were 159 billionaires, compared to 13 in 2010. Population of country 27m.

But of course there are no Tories to blame in Australia, so there can’t be any funnelling of funds or wealth inequality.

Where did I say that they weren’t RW?
Has the voting for these parties increased spectacularly?

I forgot, that I have to be very specific in my points, so I will correct myself by saying a rise in support for Far Right parties. I do not see a National Front, BNP party contesting leadership in the UK.

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2 things?

is that using the aussie dollar and the pound? or US dollars

we have our own issues with wealth division here…and yes, theres an issue with governent policy

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I think it is just relative to each country and irrelevant of the exchange rate.

I understand that all countries have a wealth division/Government issues. However, according to some posters it is only the Uk, where this happens and that all Billionaires in the UK are Tories. :+1:t2:

I didn’t say that though did I, I questioned what is deemed as Populism. If you take into consideration the definition of Populism as being anti Elitism, and supporting the will of the people.

So did Homophobic attacks, knife crime, etc. I suppose this is all down to Brexit.
Racially aggravated crimes increased across Europe after Brexit, that is a fact. So, why suggest it is a UK only issue. 31% of the victims of Racial aggravated attacks are white, 31% Asian, 23% black. This is a common trend, so whilst you can say Racial aggravated crimes have increased, they are still follow the trend before Brexit.
Again, you only reflect on the UK, you do not compare it to figures across Europe. Can you provide facts to suggest that Racially aggravated crime only increased in the UK after Brexit?

So would you vote Tory? It’s not a silly idea, it comes back to political allegiance.
Look you don’t have to answer, firstly because it is unfair of me to ask you, and secondly, because I have no knowledge of how any Government has affected you personally - although I am aware of the Tory/Thatcher persecution of the City of Liverpool and the Merseyside region.

If that’s what you believe, then fair enough.

I don’t think it is Gordon Browns fault, like everything there are a number of factors. If the EU is simply a group of nations trying to work together, why did the Greece bailout include a 5.5% interest rate and forced austerity measures. If the debt threatened financial stability, why put 5% on it :man_shrugging:t3:.

Where have I cried foul for not having the alleged “benefits” of the EU? And why am I not surprised posters have resulted to mockery, based on the back of your post.
Again, I haven’t suggested anyone has painted themselves as Populist’s, I just questioned the definition.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

‘NO CONTEXT!! Did you know Australia has billionaires, too?’

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At its fundamental level that’s what it is. You may not like how they go about trying to achieve that but that is ultimately what it is.

I’ll have to look it up but to think that Greece was going to get out of that situation without any pain is just naive. The damage would have massive. Inability to borrow money, damage to pension funds, inflation spikes, assets at risk etc. It’s huge. You extend that into the EU and it potentially becomes a domino effect across the entire block.

So they stepped in and measures included writing off some of Greece’s sovereign debt. Overall it was probably the lesser of two evils.

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The problem is that the super rich are incredibly good at not paying tax.

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So it seems.
But as I said, an ideal opportunity to try and address that has been completely overlooked by the working man’s party.

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You do realise there are right-wing parties in other countries too, right?

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Agreed. I’m still not sure what the reasoning for that was.

Couldn’t possibly be him trying to keep his rich friends happy, that’s a Tory only monopoly.

I’m surprised your chosen troll didn’t include the suggestion that perhaps it couldn’t possibly be true because he has no friends.

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I thought the changes to inheritance tax for super-wealthy non-farmers was an attempt to do that.

As @mascot said, the super rich are incredibly good at not paying tax. It’s all well and good setting tax at 95% or whatever, but if they go to live on an tax-exile island somewhere, you are getting 95% of bugger all.

Having said that, I don’t think offering preferential treatment to tax dodgers is ever going to be a viable economic strategy. At least not for a mixed economy with a sizeable population. Inward investors are usually interested in things like infrastructure, the skill level of the workforce, and even things like the NHS, because they don’t have to fork out for employee healthcare.

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The Pensions and Non-Dom stuff too. Given it had ruled out a number of tax increases its scope for moves was probably relatively limited.

Furthermore, not everything can be resolved in one budget - particularly only a few months after taking power. I think the government may already be trying to do too much too soon as it is.

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Like any diverse group there will be tensions and differences of opinions amongst them. Germany and the UK were probably the biggest voices in the room pushing for austerity measures. UK because it sat with Osbourne and Camerons view on Austerity, and Germany because it is naturally fiscally conservative.

From what I recall Greece was also hit particularly hard because it was viewed as not making the necessary adjustments domestically to increase tax revenues (or tackle fraud). It was also believed that Greece was unwilling to tighten up its banking system and that some of its banks were either laundering money or evading taxes.

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The Tory project is underpinned by centuries worth of cultural norms.

Lords and peasants…

Us and them…

Rich and poor…

Fat cats and starving dogs…

Now…I think Sir Keir is the greatest political voice since Martin Luther King, however, I think even he would struggle to land a bloodless revolution in the four months plus change since the election…

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On reflection, why hasn’t Sir Keir fixed the NHS, schools, trains, my boiler, Brexit, and offshore tax havens yet?!?!

Just what the fuck has that lazy cunt been doing…making tools?

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Maybe I can fix the boiler myself?