UK Politics Thread (Part 4)

[Noo_Noo]

Now i wonder what opportunities there were that allowed those that deal in assets, funds, shares etc. that permitted them uo increase their wealth?

Were they natural occurrences or fabricated i wonder?

[SBYM]

Careful…

I was told in Part 3 that unless I could demonstrate exactly where all that wealth had come from I was speculating…

[Magnus]

I was told in the Russian invasion of Ukraine part 1 thread, by a certain Tankie, that the military build up at the border was just my ridiculous propaganda,that all intelligence regarding an imminent invasion was clearly baseless lies and that I was clueless, and that a Russian espionage ship cutting a fibre cable was far, far more likely to be a trawler.
So speculations with no basis in reality. Shrugs

[redfanman]

@Lynch04

With Brexit, the EU openly stated that the UK would be tossed aside, become a poor brother, along with a number of other ‘how dare you’ comments. At any point did they say, we respect your decision, let’s separate amicably and look at the best way we can go about moving forward. No! Why was that?

This is simply untrue. The EU did respect the decision and were willing to deal but the UK Government kept jerking them around. For example, at one such meeting between the two parties, while the EU representatives arrived fully briefed and with a thick wad of documents to aid the discussion Lord Frost turned up with some notes on the back of a fag packet. May voted down her own bill.

It was the UK government that set the clock running on the 2-year deadline without any sense as to what Brexit meant or what it would look like. It was the EU that offered multiple extensions to give time for the UK to develop their plans.

However, what the EU was never going to do was grant the UK preferential access to the single market without the UK agreeing to some sort of rules that apply to others with similar levels of access.

[redalways]

Fake news!

[Klopptimist]

Well fuck me rigid with a broom handle, a genuinely sensible proposal I can get behind. Well done Labour.

Young people who refuse to work to lose benefits, says minister

[Klopptimist]

They are mad socialists, they’re just doing something sensible. Those of us on the right who are ists and bigots and phobes can never approve of what the left do. Apparently.

[Dane]

@Mascot

Yeah. Around 20 billionaires in 2010. Now around 200. Fucking sickening.

Ideal opportunity just gone to taper taxation so the super rich get hit the hardest.
But nope.

[Rambler]

What has happened to the lardarse jab. Could use that as a double whammy for fat teenagers who can’t get out of bed…

[Klopptimist]

Fat teenagers don’t need a jab, they need less pizza and jogging.

[Noo_Noo]

@redfanman

Lord Frost turned up with some notes on the back of a fag packet

I thought it was David Davies for some reason and he had to ask to borrow a notebook and pen.

[redfanman]

@Noo_Noo

I thought it was David Davies for some reason and he had to ask to borrow a notebook and pen.

Yes, you are probably right.

[Limiescouse]

@Mascot

@Noo_Noo

This is just bollocks and sums up Brexiteers in a nut shell. We want to leave but afterwards we will blame you for not having any if the benefits of membership which we feel uou should give us because… Plus the UK were complete pricks during the negotiations. Plenty examples of that. Reap what you sow.

I just quit my Netflix subscription, and now they won’t let me watch any of their programmes. What a bunch of cunts. Honestly, I didn’t expect that kind of pettiness from them.

In fact this arrogance is exactly why I chose to cancel my Netflix in the first place.

[Noo_Noo]

Had a similar argument with Amazon once when they started charging me for a music subscription I never even asked for.

I was ready with notes though.

[Lynch04]

@SBYM

Careful…

I was told in Part 3 that unless I could demonstrate exactly where all that wealth had come from I was speculating…

It’s not like you to make a comment without providing the context behind it.

So to @Mascot and yourself, as of 2024 there were 165 billionaires in the UK, not 200. In 2010 there were 53, not 20. UK population 69m

Australia, in 2024 there were 159 billionaires, compared to 13 in 2010. Population of country 27m.

But of course there are no Tories to blame in Australia, so there can’t be any funnelling of funds or wealth inequality.

[Lynch04]

@cynicaloldgit

@Lynch04

why has there been a rise in support of Right wing parties? This hasn’t been evident in the UK.

Sorry, but that’s nonsense.

The Conservatives received the second-most votes at the last general election and Reform UK came third in votes secured.

Anyone who thinks these are not parties of the right wing is deluded.

Where did I say that they weren’t RW?
Has the voting for these parties increased spectacularly?

I forgot, that I have to be very specific in my points, so I will correct myself by saying a rise in support for Far Right parties. I do not see a National Front, BNP party contesting leadership in the UK.

[Redbj]

2 things?

is that using the aussie dollar and the pound? or US dollars

we have our own issues with wealth division here…and yes, theres an issue with governent policy

[Lynch04]

@Redbj

2 things?

is that using the aussie dollar and the pound? or US dollars

we have our own issues with wealth division here…and yes, theres an issue with governent policy

I think it is just relative to each country and irrelevant of the exchange rate.

I understand that all countries have a wealth division/Government issues. However, according to some posters it is only the Uk, where this happens and that all Billionaires in the UK are Tories.

[Lynch04]

@Mascot

@Lynch04

The rest of your point is subjective, non factual and based on your opinion. Racial aggravated crime on the rise, have you took into consideration the rise of support for RW politics across Europe? I suppose you are going to blame the rise of antisemitism on the Leave vote also.
I will leave you to your fish bowl/echo chamber.

Its interesting that you think Right Wing Populism and Brexit are somehow different things. To me they are two sides of the same coin.

I didn’t say that though did I, I questioned what is deemed as Populism. If you take into consideration the definition of Populism as being anti Elitism, and supporting the will of the people.

@Mascot

Racially aggravated crimes increased after Brexit. That’s a fact.

So did Homophobic attacks, knife crime, etc. I suppose this is all down to Brexit.
Racially aggravated crimes increased across Europe after Brexit, that is a fact. So, why suggest it is a UK only issue. 31% of the victims of Racial aggravated attacks are white, 31% Asian, 23% black. This is a common trend, so whilst you can say Racial aggravated crimes have increased, they are still follow the trend before Brexit.
Again, you only reflect on the UK, you do not compare it to figures across Europe. Can you provide facts to suggest that Racially aggravated crime only increased in the UK after Brexit?

@Mascot

The question is absolutely pointless. Obviously anyone would take thriving country, but it’s such a pointless, idiotic question, so detached from reality, it isn’t worth any time.

Would you have supported Roy Hodgson if he’d played attractive, attacking football and won loads of games? There was as much chance of that as the Tories creating a thriving country.

You’ve got this silly idea that I vote tribally. There have been many times in my life that I haven’t voted Labour. Sometimes because it wasn’t the best choice to block the worst option. Sometimes out of disgust. Sometimes because I was complacent.

So would you vote Tory? It’s not a silly idea, it comes back to political allegiance.
Look you don’t have to answer, firstly because it is unfair of me to ask you, and secondly, because I have no knowledge of how any Government has affected you personally - although I am aware of the Tory/Thatcher persecution of the City of Liverpool and the Merseyside region.

[Lynch04]

@Noo_Noo

@Lynch04

So what is the EU

Simply a group of nations trying to work together with common goals. Up to you if you like that or not

If that’s what you believe, then fair enough.

@Noo_Noo

@Lynch04

Look at the bailouts, austerity was forced on countries such as Greece

Why did Greede need a bailout? To stop it defaulting on debt following the 2008 financial crash that people here think is Gordon Brown’s fault. It threatened eu financial stability and i duppoee it could argued that Greece was in fir a hard time irrespective of what happened.

I don’t think it is Gordon Browns fault, like everything there are a number of factors. If the EU is simply a group of nations trying to work together, why did the Greece bailout include a 5.5% interest rate and forced austerity measures. If the debt threatened financial stability, why put 5% on it .

@Noo_Noo

This is just bollocks and sums up Brexiteers in a nut shell. We want to leave but afterwards we will blame you for not having any if the benefits of membership which we feel uou should give us because… Plus the UK were complete pricks during the negotiations. Plenty examples of that. Reap what you sow.

Regarding the last stuff you’ve pulled from Wiki or wherever, ask yourself why are so called Elites painting themselves as populists? This the fundamental probiem here. Farage, for example pretending to be an ordinary working fellow. Its just bollocks along with everything he says.

Where have I cried foul for not having the alleged “benefits” of the EU? And why am I not surprised posters have resulted to mockery, based on the back of your post.
Again, I haven’t suggested anyone has painted themselves as Populist’s, I just questioned the definition.