UK Politics Thread (Part 4)

I heard it was a conscious vote, so no whip. :+1:t2:

My understanding, is that she made Starmer aware of this incident. However, I believe, you cannot be an MP if you have a criminal record.
There are also reports which suggest that this was not just a one off and that she has tried this before. :man_shrugging:t3:

So much better than an unconscious vote (see US election).

You would be wrong. You donā€™t even lose your seat if youā€™re convicted. What happens is that if an MP is sentenced to prison during their term in office, then their constituents may make a recall petition, and only if it passes a threshold do they then get recalled, and they would still be eligible to run again.

Just look at this for a current example of an actual past criminal conviction of a currently sitting MP: Reform UK MP James McMurdock 'should be expelled over assault' - BBC News

This is the first result of searching for ā€œConservative MP driving offenceā€. Did not lose their seat, did not lose party whip.

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Isnā€™t it? @Mascot didnā€™t say here that itā€™s only the super rich who would be affected by that, and even that is up to your interpretation of super rich.

Look at this for example re inheritance tax: Wealthiest 1% would get half the benefit of scrapping inheritance tax, with an average tax cut of Ā£1 million | Institute for Fiscal Studies

My dad is a farmer - single man. The farm has been in the family for a long time - itā€™s worth Ā£4m quid in total. We make Ā£40k per year from the farm.

Dad dies, we get 1m tax free, but suffer 20% of Ā£3m, which is 600k, on the rest. Canā€™t afford it, sell the farm.

Iā€™ve still got Ā£3.4m. What am I gonna do with it? I buy a property portfolio, driving housing prices up in my local area, and rent it out to you.

Where I used to make a 1% return on my assets, I now make 5%. I am getting richer for doing a lot less, though I have had to give up producing food for you to eat in super markets.

Iā€™m okay, because Iā€™m rich, but Britain either produces less food, or BlackRock produces food for you.

Britainā€™s food supply is gradually more and more controlled by foreign investors, but I can still eat good because Iā€™m rich.

I did try to warn you that this would happen, but you insisted you wanted me gone. So I am currently living in my second home in Spain sipping margaritas and collecting about 10 grand a month from the letting agency.

You are eating bugs. Happy?

(Anon).

Great anecdote, but apart from the factual error (thereā€™s still the nil-rate band of Ā£375k + Ā£125k for any primary residence), cases like these arenā€™t that common.

Also itā€™s worth noting that the father could just gift the farm to the child now, and completely avoid any inheritance tax if he doesnā€™t die within 7 years. I think the most common note Iā€™ve seen is just that farmers should really be engaging with estate planning, because far fewer of them have far less to worry about than is being portrayed.

Inheritance tax and farms | Institute for Fiscal Studies for more context.

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There is also an argument that Farm land prices are so high because there has been no inheritance tax to pay

That may adjust now that one is coming in.

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Because she is a female transport Secretary with policy ambitions around reducing car use, improving active travel and investing in public transport.

If you get any kind of exposure to the right wing press, one of the triggers they press is the ā€˜war on motoristsā€™. The idea that pernicious left wingers are after the freedom and enjoyment your beautiful car gives you. Your god given right to wrap yourself in metal armour and chug along causing climate change and giving children respiratory diseases.

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Yes. It is. And that you canā€™t see that means you must be thick or acting in bad faith.

Targeting farm inheritance and public schools is targeting wealth.

On the farming one the policy only targets farm inheritance over a very generous threshold, so the idea that my support for this policy means I hate farmers is facile nonsense. The vast majority of farmers wonā€™t be affected by it.

On the public school one I said it targets wealth, and it absolutely does. Public school is mostly the preserve of very wealthy people. Maybe not everyone is what weā€™d call ā€˜super richā€™, but they are certainly not poor either. Simply put anyone who feels able to send their children to public school can afford to pay a bit more in tax.

Me saying that the public school tax targets wealth is not me saying that anyone who sends their kids to public school is part of a mega wealthy multi millionaire elite. Obviously.

I saw some comments by some people complaining about how their Ā£20k per year spend on public school fees would now be Ā£24k, rendering it unaffordable, which only made me think two things:

  1. Many people would love to have Ā£20k per year to spend on public school education.
  2. Surely if an additional Ā£4k per year spend if you already have so much to spend anyway is a sign that perhaps you might be overextending yourself in some ways? I think if it was someone whoā€™s poor spending money on a new phone because their phone broke, no doubt theyā€™d be lambasted for being unable to budget, spending money on luxuries, etc.
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I think it was a UKIP candidate for a Mayoral role. I canā€™t remember the exact details.

There was also the Chris Huhne case, but that was perverting the course of justice, rather than the driving offence.

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He seems to be saying I shouldnā€™t be taxed because Iā€™m a massive cunt. Telling it was signed ā€˜Anonā€™.

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Claudia Webbe too. She was Labour and then either had to resign or was deselected. Stood as one of the many independents in one of the Leicester seats (East i think) this summer that failed to elect its Labour candidate (Keith Vaz was also an independent in the same seat between them they had 8k votes, Labour lost by about 4 or 5k)ā€¦

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Also, the eating bugs thing is another right-wing scare-mongering talking point, is it not?

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European culture has romanticised the countryside since the Renaissance. Little wonder the proposed tax is causing so much angst and emotive debate.

Saying that, bad faith actors like that cunt Clarkson are not debatingā€¦theyā€™re poisoning.

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Oddly enough, his farm show has highlighted the actual working class people that run the farms and work their arses off in the process.

What he doesnā€™t mention is that his farm manager, Kaleb, is working other peopleā€™s land because he is excluded from buying his own farm by people using the land as a tax dodge.

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Not in 100% of cases. Thereā€™s some schools that tutor children with very special needs and some faith schools that are being sucked into this.

Devil in the detail i think. Otherwise yeah no problem in Eton bding hit with a tax to repay the damage that place has done

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Iā€™d like to explore this. Firstly, thereā€™s no doubting that the Express, Telegraph, Mail, Times to name a few gave been gunning for this government since July. These same outlets would often give certain stories a pass when members of the previous government were involved.

On the other side you pretty much have the Guardian and the Mirror.

From my perspective its slanted so much in lne direction and with the internet these days ythat slant is amplified.

Could it work the other way round? Absolutely it could but thats in another universe to this one.

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Kaleb was also at the protestsā€¦