UK Politics Thread (Part 4)

[RedWhippet]

@redalways

Kaleb was also at the protests…

Quite a few people were that didn’t realise what they were protesting about. Although I don’t recall seeing Andrew Lloyd Webber on a tractor.

[redalways]

I think for Kaleb’s case, being charitable, he knew what the protests were about, but these effects you’re talking about are more second-order effects so it’s not something he would have made the connection to. A bit of the classic voting against their own interests theme.

[RedWhippet]

I did think that there would be more of a protest if land prices were brought down as there must be a fair few farmers who would be happy to give up and cash in their land. I know this has happened a lot in Germany.

I’m not sure what the Labour agricultural policy is. They have some vagaries about food security and reducing trade barriers, but it’s not clear which direction they are heading in. I think they also mentioned something about eradicating Bovine TB, but again there were few details.

[redalways]

The only result for a keyword search of “farming” in this document: https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/Change-Labour-Party-Manifesto-2024-large-print.pdf

[RedWhippet]

I remember the bovine TB bit because my brother-in-law was one of the scientists who did the original research into the relationship between bovine TB and badgers.

They largely ignored their findings because the NFU knows best…

[Dane]

@Mascot

@Dane

My dad is a farmer - single man. The farm has been in the family for a long time - it’s worth £4m quid in total. We make £40k per year from the farm.

Dad dies, we get 1m tax free, but suffer 20% of £3m, which is 600k, on the rest. Can’t afford it, sell the farm.

I’ve still got £3.4m. What am I gonna do with it? I buy a property portfolio, driving housing prices up in my local area, and rent it out to you.

Where I used to make a 1% return on my assets, I now make 5%. I am getting richer for doing a lot less, though I have had to give up producing food for you to eat in super markets.

I’m okay, because I’m rich, but Britain either produces less food, or BlackRock produces food for you.

Britain’s food supply is gradually more and more controlled by foreign investors, but I can still eat good because I’m rich.

I did try to warn you that this would happen, but you insisted you wanted me gone. So I am currently living in my second home in Spain sipping margaritas and collecting about 10 grand a month from the letting agency.

You are eating bugs. Happy?

(Anon).

He seems to be saying I shouldn’t be taxed because I’m a massive cunt. Telling it was signed ‘Anon’.

You forgot to add right wing

[Noo_Noo]

Amazing what you find when you dig a little

Nigel Farage loves open borders - for the super rich

[Iftikhar]

Money trail: questions over deposed Bangladeshi elite’s £400m UK property empire

That’s not even close to the actual figure siphoned to UK.

[Lynch04]

Fair enough .

Thanks for clearing that up.

I think the Tory candidate was someone other than James Wallis but it’s all informative.

[Lynch04]

@redalways

Great anecdote, but apart from the factual error (there’s still the nil-rate band of £375k + £125k for any primary residence), cases like these aren’t that common.

Also it’s worth noting that the father could just gift the farm to the child now, and completely avoid any inheritance tax if he doesn’t die within 7 years. I think the most common note I’ve seen is just that farmers should really be engaging with estate planning, because far fewer of them have far less to worry about than is being portrayed.

Inheritance tax and farms | Institute for Fiscal Studies for more context.

[Lynch04]

@Mascot

@Lynch04

I suppose this is a classic example of me, misrepresenting your point of view……

Yes. It is. And that you can’t see that means you must be thick or acting in bad faith.

Targeting farm inheritance and public schools is targeting wealth.

On the farming one the policy only targets farm inheritance over a very generous threshold, so the idea that my support for this policy means I hate farmers is facile nonsense. The vast majority of farmers won’t be affected by it.

On the public school one I said it targets wealth, and it absolutely does. Public school is mostly the preserve of very wealthy people. Maybe not everyone is what we’d call ‘super rich’, but they are certainly not poor either. Simply put anyone who feels able to send their children to public school can afford to pay a bit more in tax.

Me saying that the public school tax targets wealth is not me saying that anyone who sends their kids to public school is part of a mega wealthy multi millionaire elite. Obviously.

You are another level. Strange, that you didn’t include the ‘post of yours’ that I quoted, to provide context. I guess you wouldn’t do that, because it would highlight how you have back tracked on your original comments and how you are now trying to manipulate the behind them.

Guess what, I am going to quote you again.

@Mascot

@Dane

So it seems.
But as I said, an ideal opportunity to try and address that has been completely overlooked by the working man’s party.

Not true. Taxing farm inheritance and public schools is essentially targeting the wealth that the super rich can’t offshore.

Probably could have done more, but sadly any attempts to just increase basic taxation for the super rich is only going to be futile.

Notice the “Not true” comment at the beginning of your response. You have straight away shut down @Dane on the basis of your opinion, no facts to support this, yet you claim you want people to challenge views fairly.
“Taxing farm inheritance and public schools is essentially targeting the wealth that the super rich can’t offshore.”
Can you not see what your statement implies? whether intended or not.
But ‘obviously’, I am just ‘thick’ or ‘acting in bad faith’ because you have only now, tried to justify your statement.

[Lynch04]

@redalways

@Lynch04

I suppose this is a classic example of me, misrepresenting your point of view……

Isn’t it? @Mascot didn’t say here that it’s only the super rich who would be affected by that, and even that is up to your interpretation of super rich.

Look at this for example re inheritance tax:

Please don’t try and disrespect me here.

Why have you not included Mascots comments, in your quoting of my post?

Your defence of what Mascot said, is not relative. That is not the point he made or the point I am challenging him on.

[Redbj]

not really bothered if you take offence by this, as my feeling is that im not alone here… @Mascot , @Lynch04 , @redalways …you guys have derailed the thread

i honestly think the three of you should go back to your corners for a week or so, your now debating about debating about what you meant in your debate…

maybe we could get back to UK politics?

[Bekloppt]

Thank you.

[redalways]

Hey don’t lump me in with that, I’m just focusing on the facts here…

[Mascot]

@Redbj

not really bothered if you take offence by this, as my feeling is that im not alone here… @Mascot , @Lynch04 , @redalways …you guys have derailed the thread

Suits me. There is only so many times you can say “yeah, that’s not what I said or even wrote”.

[Mascot]

@Noo_Noo

Amazing what you find when you dig a little

https://youtu.be/SA8T29zWNCw?feature=shared

It’s amazing that this grifter has somehow managed to convince poor people he is on their side. The parallels with Trump are uncanny.

[Rambler]

Thank you Sir Keir for continuing with the £10 christmas gift for us poor pensioners. 2 pints of Landlord incoming…

[sandsoftime]

This guy eh… Is there no limits to his own ego

Nigel Farage: 'Donald Trump learned a lot from me'

[Noo_Noo]

@Mascot

It’s amazing that this grifter has somehow managed to convince poor people he is on their side. The parallels with Trump are uncanny.

And I wonder how those that voted for him in Clacton feel?

I’m trying figure out what he wants the UK to look like, if he hypothetically got his way with everything he keeps spouting about.