UK Politics Thread (Part 4)

Claudia Webbe too. She was Labour and then either had to resign or was deselected. Stood as one of the many independents in one of the Leicester seats (East i think) this summer that failed to elect its Labour candidate (Keith Vaz was also an independent in the same seat between them they had 8k votes, Labour lost by about 4 or 5k)…

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Also, the eating bugs thing is another right-wing scare-mongering talking point, is it not?

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European culture has romanticised the countryside since the Renaissance. Little wonder the proposed tax is causing so much angst and emotive debate.

Saying that, bad faith actors like that cunt Clarkson are not debating…they’re poisoning.

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Oddly enough, his farm show has highlighted the actual working class people that run the farms and work their arses off in the process.

What he doesn’t mention is that his farm manager, Kaleb, is working other people’s land because he is excluded from buying his own farm by people using the land as a tax dodge.

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Not in 100% of cases. There’s some schools that tutor children with very special needs and some faith schools that are being sucked into this.

Devil in the detail i think. Otherwise yeah no problem in Eton bding hit with a tax to repay the damage that place has done

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I’d like to explore this. Firstly, there’s no doubting that the Express, Telegraph, Mail, Times to name a few gave been gunning for this government since July. These same outlets would often give certain stories a pass when members of the previous government were involved.

On the other side you pretty much have the Guardian and the Mirror.

From my perspective its slanted so much in lne direction and with the internet these days ythat slant is amplified.

Could it work the other way round? Absolutely it could but thats in another universe to this one.

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Kaleb was also at the protests…

Quite a few people were that didn’t realise what they were protesting about. Although I don’t recall seeing Andrew Lloyd Webber on a tractor.

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I think for Kaleb’s case, being charitable, he knew what the protests were about, but these effects you’re talking about are more second-order effects so it’s not something he would have made the connection to. A bit of the classic voting against their own interests theme.

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I did think that there would be more of a protest if land prices were brought down as there must be a fair few farmers who would be happy to give up and cash in their land. I know this has happened a lot in Germany.

I’m not sure what the Labour agricultural policy is. They have some vagaries about food security and reducing trade barriers, but it’s not clear which direction they are heading in. I think they also mentioned something about eradicating Bovine TB, but again there were few details.

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The only result for a keyword search of “farming” in this document: https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/Change-Labour-Party-Manifesto-2024-large-print.pdf

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I remember the bovine TB bit because my brother-in-law was one of the scientists who did the original research into the relationship between bovine TB and badgers.

They largely ignored their findings because the NFU knows best…

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You forgot to add right wing :roll_eyes:

Amazing what you find when you dig a little

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That’s not even close to the actual figure siphoned to UK.

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Fair enough :+1:t2:.

Thanks for clearing that up.

I think the Tory candidate was someone other than James Wallis but it’s all informative.

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You are another level. Strange, that you didn’t include the ‘post of yours’ that I quoted, to provide context. I guess you wouldn’t do that, because it would highlight how you have back tracked on your original comments and how you are now trying to manipulate the behind them.

Guess what, I am going to quote you again.

Notice the “Not true” comment at the beginning of your response. You have straight away shut down @Dane on the basis of your opinion, no facts to support this, yet you claim you want people to challenge views fairly.
“Taxing farm inheritance and public schools is essentially targeting the wealth that the super rich can’t offshore.”
Can you not see what your statement implies? whether intended or not.
But ‘obviously’, I am just ‘thick’ or ‘acting in bad faith’ because you have only now, tried to justify your statement.

Please don’t try and disrespect me here.

Why have you not included Mascots comments, in your quoting of my post?

Your defence of what Mascot said, is not relative. That is not the point he made or the point I am challenging him on.

not really bothered if you take offence by this, as my feeling is that im not alone here… @Mascot , @Lynch04 , @redalways …you guys have derailed the thread

i honestly think the three of you should go back to your corners for a week or so, your now debating about debating about what you meant in your debate…

maybe we could get back to UK politics?

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