UK Politics Thread (Part 4)

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Something everyone has known since day one, really.

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This part was news to me…

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Maybe, but it should hardly come as a surprise. Starmer doesn’t appear to be doing much - at this stage - to represent the true left. His current policies are closer to those of the Tories than to anything the Labour Party would have come up with pre-Tony B. Liar.

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Doesn’t surprise me. Swing to greens in Bristol and some independents where evidence of this undercurrent within the party. Starmer has been a target for those close to Corbyn since the leadership election.

I think this is a little unfair to Starmer. I appreciate he is not as far to the left as many would like - but he has raised taxes on businesses, increased minimum wage and public sector wages. Continued on the road to nationalising rail companies.

Much of what his government wants to do needs time for the plans to be fully drawn out, funding to be sorted, and legislation, so can’t be done overnight.

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Hence my “at this stage” caveat.

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I know…but I think 6 months is a bit early to make that statement.

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Tweaking around the edges isn’t going to make any significant change (or get him another term). Only proper progressive policies that make changes that people can see and feel. Like how people said Starmer would move left once in power. He just had to pretend to be a Tory to get into power :roll_eyes:

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Excellent article, and further evidence of Starmer dragging Labour to the right.

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If Labour had have been in charge through the last few year’s global cataclysms, it would have been far more entertaining on here. I’m pretty sure criticism would have gone down badly. Very badly.

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Wouldn’t have been their fault though as it was all completely unknown and couldn’t be legislated for.

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It’s a slippery slope, always.

Well Brexit wouldn’t have happened. The Covid pandemic might have seen them treat it seriously and not as an opportunity to go profiteering. Ukraine would probably still have happened, but at least they would have been able to act without being funded for years by Russian money.

Then again, if Britain and the EU hadn’t been weakened by Brexit, it is possible that Putin wouldn’t have thought invading Ukraine was a good idea.

You can’t hold a government responsible for global upheaval, unless they actually caused it, but their response is entirely on them.

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Which Labour are we talking about though? Brown? Miliband? Corbyn? I think there’s a decent case for the former 2, but the latter? I think he would not have undone Brexit/held a second referendum, his Cabinet might have been too inexperienced for COVID, and I’m not sure they would have focused too hard on Russian money, based on the lack of attention they gave to it in general.

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I was assuming that it would be Miliband in charge as it was the Cameron majority that kicked off Brexit.

In terms of Covid, these things are planned for. The Johnson government threw out the plan and refused to listen to expert advice.

I do wonder if Theresa May would have handled Covid better as she is a serious politician. Unfortunately, she was crippled by Brexit, which she knew to be suicidal but couldn’t muster support for something reasonable.

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In no way defending the Tories here, but not sure anyone had a plan for dealing with what Covid became

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