No. I’ve no need to ‘defend’ him on here because much of the criticism is silly.
I’ve said all along it will take time to see how this Government (including Starmer) performs. It takes time to develop, and introduce (often needs funding and legislating for before it can happen) much of the changes that the Labour party set out in their manifesto.
We’ve only just seen their first budget and as discussed above the first white papers which will lead to legislation (if passed) next year.
This regular is keeping quiet, because I can see where this is going. Labour out after one term, because Starmer can’t fucking shit gold or whatever it is that people expect, and a Musk fuelled Farage in Number Ten ushering in a new golden age of fascist populism. The prospect just makes me feel sick.
The problem we have is that people are generally speaking, economically and politically illiterate. Starmer is inheriting just about the worst set of circumstances anyone could take on. The nations finances are a fucking shitshow. People seem to be genuinely think that he would get into power, click his fingers and it would be like 14 years of Tory corruption and neglect would have never happened. People have forgotten that 52% of us voted to inflict economic sanctions on ourselves. Forgotten that the Tories raised the tax burden to eyewatering levels, while destroying all our public services.
Starmer can’t undo what the Tories did in six fucking months. And not only has he got to try somehow rebuild this country after it’s own population have fucking wrecked it, he has also got to deal with the right wing oligarch press lobbing grenades at him because they are terrified he’s coming after their money, the very people he is trying to help lurching to the right because a populist cunt is persuading them to ignore all ways he is going to screw them because just get the foreigners, and worst of all, fucking idiots in his own party like Diane Abbot undermining him because they’d rather be saying the right things in opposition than compromising in power.
Almost as funny as your understanding of an Echo chamber. @JU97ICE if I wanted to jump on every story questioning the Labour leadership, I would be making sniping remarks about Tulip Siddiq, Sue Gray, the Bank of England holding interest rates because of the uncertainty over the recent Labour budget - some actually calling gloomy, oh and Waspi.
Do you know why I don’t do that, because it doesn’t help anyone.
You can call me a Tory Delusionist if that makes you feel better - hell the brains that is @SBYM has called me out as a Racist and I am just debating what I consider to be more insulting - but by dismissing any debate against your viewpoint because it doesn’t align with yours is delusional but I guess that is why you hang round here. You can post something non informative, but in line with the common rhetoric on this thread and get likes. But I guess, it is only Delusional Tories that sit in echo chambers.
Let’s be honest - hear me out - the regulars were quiet yesterday because it was a bad news day for Labour. However, it wasn’t the first and won’t be the last.
The problem with politics is that people are so keen to dismiss their short comings by blaming it on the situation they inherited, for example you state 14years or Tory rule, suggest Labour have took over the worst financial situation ever, but then seem to forget that the Tories took power with the countries finances still reeling from the banking crash, bailouts and then had to negotiate Brexit and Covid.
I disagree, I don’t think people thought that when he got into power, he would click his fingers and solve everything, which is why we didn’t see more people voting for Labour.
What I do agree with you on is giving him a fair opportunity to implement his ideas. Economic uncertainty (unless it is Truss) can’t be judged over a couple of weeks. It will take time for his policies to materialise and bear fruit.
Regarding Dianne Abbot, again I agree (I must be ill) I think she is an idiot, however, in this case is she undermining him? And if that is your belief, why would she be doing this?
In opposition, Labour supported WASPI and by backing down it may imply that they were used as a political tool. I don’t know but I do think it is only right that the PM, Party Leaders are challenged from their own Party, A difference of opinion is not always a sign of undermining. Additionally, I am sure you would agree that Boris should have been held to account more for his actions by his party.
Mate, it’s a couple of days before Christmas. I’m not following the news. That’s why I haven’t commented. It’s nothing to do with embarrassment.
The state of the countries finances in 2010 does not come close to what Labour have inherited in 2024.
And let’s not forget that the 2008 crash was not really caused by Labour. It was the sub-prime mortgage crisis in America that escalated into a global financial crisis.
Whereas everything that Starmer has inherited in 2024 is down to the Tories. It’s incredible you say that they had to deal with Brexit, when Brexit was a Tory project. It’s entirely on them. It’s like saying it’s not fair to point they smell of shit, because they shitted their pants.
The only thing that you can say wasn’t their fault was Covid - and here I’m talking about it happening in the first place. The catastrophic mismanagement of it, was certainly down the them.
Yes. She is.
I’m not really across the Waspi story, because I’ve been too busy. But I’m supposing a demand for compensation previously backed by Labour has been renaged on? I’m not surprised - there is no fucking money, and Labour have already committed billions to the post office compensation and victims of infected blood. There is not a bottomless pit of money.
But I don’t have a problem with Abbott criticising Labour policies. Although if she wants to criticise Labour to this degree, it might have been better not to stand as an MP on the Labour Manifesto - something she fought tooth and nail to do.
But launching a personal attack on Starmer’s credentials as Prime Minister, even as an MP, suggesting he has been parachuted into his seat, is certainly undermining him - and not even accurate. He has been part of the Labour Movement all his life.
He should now kick Diane Abbot out of the party. Enough bullshit from her.
Oh, and while I’m on, because I’ve seen this parroted across social media and it was referenced in the Diane Abbott comments, Keir Starmer’s pension arrangements with the DPP.
It’s almost laughable to see the right seizing on this.
Starmer ran the department of public prosecutions, and as part of his salary would have had an employee pension scheme. There might have also been some benefits that came with his directorship.
It highlights the gulf in how the left and right, Labour and the Tories are scrutinised in this country. Tories and Reform politicians are allowed to be almost feral in their grasping for public money kickbacks, up to their tits in private lobbying money, and ‘consultancy arrangements’ with companies and individuals attempting to rig politics to their advantage.
But let’s criticise Starmer for having a pension arrangement with a previous employer. Fuck’s sake.
It reminds me of when he first got the Labour leadership and the Right Wing Press went deep on trying to find some shit to throw at him. All they could muster was that he bought some land for his mum so she could care for donkeys or something. I remember wondering what they’d do. Well, don’t underestimate the right. If they don’t have shit to throw at you, they’ll take something perfectly legit, tell the public it is shit, and throw it anyway. And useful idiots like Abbott will lap it up.
OK. It turns out that the Twitter account posted by @Dane was, surprise surprise, an absolute cesspit of Islamophobic hatred.
I’m sick of doing this. If people can’t be bothered checking the source of stuff you are posting, infractions and bans will follow. Enough of this now.
The video is as black & white as it gets.
The video popped into my feed on FB and I copied it.
Nobody asked anybody to follow the source that posted it.
I don’t give a fuck. Don’t share racist, Islamaphobic accounts on this site. All you have to do is have a scan back through the content and do some basic fucking diligence.
Isn’t the issue that they didn’t communicate the change properly when they made it? I think the ill feeling is that many Labour MPs offered their support at the time and, now they are in a position to help, they have said tough: no cash.
To be honest it seemed inherently unfair that woman live longer and got to retire earlier.
Why should woman expect to retire at 60 when it’s 65 for men ?
The other aspect is that it’s hard to feel sympathy when even 65 is a pretty good (for a generation that has received the most perks). Most of the population will be lucky to get a pension at all or will be in their 70s by the time they do. I am actively planning for no state pension. I had a number of partial years were I could have topped up. But figured why bother ?
It’s abundantly clear that vast majority of people affected (when law changed in 1995) knew that they were impacted. It was sufficient time to make different plans. Twently plus years.
Sure letters should have been sent to everyone impacted earlier. But surely there is some onus and responsibility on individuals ?
If they stopped work at 50 anticipating a pension at 60, but it instead turns out to be 65 because they didn’t check… for me that’s on them. Especially when it was common knowledge the pension age had gone up.
I think the bulk of the complaints relate to the second change in 2011 that should have been communicated better.
It’s not in the same ballcourt as the post office scandal as they haven’t been treated illegally.
It’s a common feature that governments will kick the ball into the long grass with injustices and hope that they will go away. Just think of how long it took with Hillsborough. Even longer are things like the nuclear veterans where they hope they will die off before anything is done.