UK Politics Thread (Part 4)

Just because you and your missus worked in the school system means fuck all about your knowledge about the systemic and long term funding and policy related issues. That requires actually paying attention to the overall system.
What even heads deal with differ vastly from school to school. Never mind catchment areas or even regions.

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I have no problem with governments being called to account. It’s essential for a functioning democracy.

However what we see, time and again, is a partisan press failing to hold the Tories to account, and dragging Labour of the coals for stuff they are barely responsible for.

I’d like the press to remember that they have a role in holding politicians to account when the Tories are in power, and not just when Labour have the reins.

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I completely agree. In terms of holding Governments to account.
In regards to the media… I will be honest in saying that with the media sources I use, I do not see the level of RW bias this forum portrays them to be. However, it is an issue raised often on here and therefore I have tried to assess these articles more reflectively.

For me, it is important for voters to hold the Government/Shadow Government to account. However, in order to do so, people need to stop being blinded by their own parties short comings, continually laying the blame on the other party and on a situation they inherited.
In my opinion, by doing this people are already trying to justify their failure. :+1:t2:

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At the same time people and the press should be aware that current choices and current issues could well be driven by politicsl choices made in the past.

Much of the press irrespective of what side they are on choose not to report that.

Its called politicking but there’s a very strong whiff of dishonesty running right through it.

Good to see that Starmer hit the ground stationary.

"Paul Dales, chief economist at Capital Economics, said there was “no doubt that some business and households put spending and investment on hold around the Budget”. But he said it was “too soon to see any genuine effect of Labour policies”.

He said it would be a matter of time before the drag from higher interest rates gave way to a boost from lower rates but he expected to see an improvement in the second half of next year.

Simon French, chief economist at Panmure Liberum said the revised figures were consistent “with a lot of other indicators we’ve seen since the July general election that’ve shown a loss of momentum in the economy”.

He said there was a question over whether this was a typical slowdown as seen after previous general elections which later picked up or “whether this is something more problematic teeing up a recession next year”."

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Because they’re pointless, ineffective and (like their leader) utterly irrelevant?

These two posts are good summary of the situation. Both contain a part of truth. Your rhetorical question on the other hand is horribly one-sided, and thus, wrong.

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Is anyone genuinely surprised?

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I would strongly urge everyone to read this, from 2019.

Some highlights…

The water industry in England has been transformed. It’s easy to forget how bad things were. After decades of government underinvestment, water quality was poor, rivers were polluted, and our beaches badly affected by sewage.

Investment through privatisation reduced pollution and delivered, in a remarkably short time, cleaner, better quality waters. Access to private capital markets and the ability to borrow transformed how the water sector delivered services through a restructure of the industry and regulated oversight. Investment almost doubled yet customer bills were lower.

Water quality has improved, pollution is down and leakage came down by a third. Relying on the tax payer for investment would not have enabled these spending commitments, due to demands on the public purse.

All Tories are cunts, and Thatcher is their odious queen.

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No need to worry, @Noo_Noo…

The beaches were worse back in the 1970s, so today’s turd soup is not that bad.

If I end up cleaning skidmarks off my kiteboard there will be hell to pay

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Just use one of the used sanitary napkins floating nearby to clean it.

Need more emoji’s. Much more…

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This is rather worrying. The ONS can’t get reliable data from the Labour Force Survey:

I used to have quite a bit of contact with the ONS guys, they are very professional, but this sounds like the methods used for data collection on the ground aren’t working. This is important, because good policy needs good data. They can pull raw stats from tax and benefit data, but it doesn’t tell them why people are in the position that they are.

I’m not sure why the response is so low. Distrust of government officials?

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We get ONS guys doing surveys at work on a regular basis, but the problem is they often turn up during the day, when most people are at work, so often don’t get any responses.

We also have the question in regards to security, allowing people in to roam around the building. so they need to make contact via the intercom to confirm who is and is not in at the time. What they often end up doing for us, is leaving a letter for those they want to contact which we then post to the mailbox. If tenants ignore the letter that is their choice.

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That would explain the last 50 years then. Blatantly shit data.

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FIFY

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