Yeah just thinking about that. You could then trace it back to the killing off of UK industry. Take away that foundation and what do you have left?
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Since Thatcher, the demise of the working class and the création of the under class.
If course at that time there was the âmiddle managementâ boom which offset things a bit and caused many to believe things were getting better.
That didnât last long as it soon became apparent that âmiddle managementâ didnât actually produce anything (they just saved money by firing those that did produce something) the NHS being a major example.
Your 14 years just covers the era where those âmiddle managementâ classes have become the target for becoming the ânewâ underclass.
A complet mismanagement of resources pushed by the rich. The rich who are now at least 12 times wealthier than the âmiddle classâ in comparison to when this all started.
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Incredibly short sighted and sad:
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The power of oil companies and other corporate climate vandals versus a little old lady. Whoâs side are you on?
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Its not about sides.
Did she break the law?
Canât open the article.
Take away the fact that itâs just stop oil. What do you do to people if they go disrupt the operations of air planes, trains, buses etc. these people are doing the same, regardless of their intentions. If intent meant I can do anything I want, then why have laws?
And thats just the road blockers.
Not sure about the punishment for the building sprayers or soup painters
What do those laws mean compared to the destruction of the planet?
Of course the climate is fucked but my question remains, does intent mean I can do anything I want and not be punished for it?
Of course not, but none of the social advances that have been made in history were achieved without breaking the law, because the law is created in order to maintain the status quo.
Without breaking the law we would all still be peasants paying tithes to lords and kings who could kill us at a whim.
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Sure you can break the law if thatâs your poison of choice, then you got to accept getting punished for it. You donât get to choose putting your finger in the fire and not being burnt.
Helping escaping Jews was illegal in the Third Reich, aiding Slaves was illegal in the US in the 19th century, being gay is still illegal in many countries.
Laws are not always right.
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I agree. But laws, while imperfect, are there for the majority to keep order. Itâs either follow the law or not. Or we can allow anarchy. We are living in a society of rule of law, like it or not. You can donât agree with the law, that does not exempt you from the law.
@Bekloppt you anarchist! 
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How many times have you flown from/to Britain, Germany and Australia? Didnt you recently in the last year go shopping in portugal or something on a whim ?
Some serious hypocritical statements are made and fake outrage at times by some
Just to clear, she has been sent back to prison because the contractors didnât have a suitable tag to allow her to complete her sentence under home curfew.
This issue isnât about is it right to send 78 yea old ladies to prison for trying to stop climate change. Itâs the contractor failing to have the equipment to deal with a 78 year old lady
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I donât know what world you live in, but I live in a world where the law applies very unequally depending on your station in life, and isnât universal. Itâs quite clearly the case that if you have tons of money, the law doesnât really apply to you.
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We all live in the same world. Rich people gets away with things. That does not mean that anyone else who breaks the law should get away with it. These are 2 separate issues. Are we trying to say that as long as rich people donât get punished, everyone else should get away with it? I donât think you mean that of course. Sure we are angry with the unfairness of the world and the law is definitely not perfect and can even be used as a weapon but if someone breaks the law, that person should be punished, regardless of wealth or status.
Yea I read that article, but I think the discussion probably took a turn of whether she should even be punished because of what is happening with the climate.
But yes, its stupidity to keep someone in prison who can be under home supervision because of a material oversight.
Nothing.
But itâs staggeringly naive to think that people blocking the road or throwing soup over a painting is going to make one iota of a difference to the speed at which the planet is being destroyed