UK Politics Thread (Part 4)

It would be good have a proper grown up conversation about Reeves performance as chancellor. We can talk about the insanity of backing a third runway at Heathrow, or whether she is doing nearly enough to tip the balance of interest away from the already mega rich.

But the problem is that any conversation around politics at the minute is rendered impossible by thick cunts shouting shit that simply isn’t true. And it not being true is no barrier to more thick cunts amplifying it, without a care in the world for its veracity.

This is why we are hurtling towards a dictatorship. For the first time in my life I’m existentially terrified about the future.

There are always dictatorships and totalitarianism around the world. But never have the big, major world powers been so close to tipping into outright fascism. The US has just elected one, and like night follows day, his acolytes are now openly discussing how the constitution - that thing so sacrosanct that it can’t even be changed to prevent children being murdered with automatic weapons - can be amended to keep him in power beyond his term. A poll the other day in this country showed that half of Gen Z would prefer a dictatorship to democracy.

And this all stems from the outright collapse in the desire for objective truth. The inherent value is speaking honestly and caring about the truth has gone. That charge has been led by people like Musk, but it’s ordinary people who have picked up the baton and run with it.

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Why would people want ‘bad change’?

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He might be a narcissistic fascist who is going to rebuild the country to rig it even more for elite financial interests, and abandon any attempt to prevent a Climate Apocalypse, but at least it’s a change, eh?

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Huge point here.

Gove, “we’ve had enough of experts”

I think i’m right in him stating that. Just over the last 3 years or so there’s been a huge uprising in conspiracy theories.

Maybe this thread shows what’s wrong. Everyone jumps on whatever is said. Same with the media. They live to make a politician make a mistake to get a story. How can you get constructive debate and change in that environment.

That’s a very interesting juxtaposition with what @Mascot just said.

You might be able to choose your truth, or rather, a subjective interpretation, but not having common facts in the first place is a major issue.

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Social media does not allow truth! I have a 7 year old daughter. God knows it’s impossible to navigate. People jump on whatever they want to believe.

Perhaps. But you made a claim that is simply factually incorrect.

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Fine.

@redalways i love your debate. You are one smart guy. But life is not about finding fault, calling out errors……

That’s not all life is about, but I think if you want to have a debate you need to be able to agree on some basic facts at least. If there aren’t any common facts, there’s no common ground to be had.

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All too often these days debates are actually about arguing what is actually a fact or otherwise.

There really shouldnt be any argument on facts, only on what they mean going forward and how to best tackle the issues that arise from them.

Classic example is trying to debate with a climate change denier. You spend all your time arguing why its real and how it’s caused by human activity rather than whst the impacts are and how they can be managed, mitigated.

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So Rachel Reeves has an Oxbridge PPE degree, exactly the same as more than a handful of the blokes that preceded her as Chancellor?

Pretty fucking hypocritical and undoubtedly misogynistic to be calling her out as unqualified, to be honest.

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Yes, but she went to a comprehensive school, so clearly an oik…

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Honestly. You are right. She is the perfect person. Ou pick your sides. You have a view. But as a country we are ruined. Left. Right. Who cares.

I find it odd that some still support those that were responsible for a large proportion of the damage in the first place.

But let’s look a Badenochs performance this week. Firstly Labours current econimic plans were all stolen from the Tories. But they are also anti growth.

Thats quite an admission. Clearly a clueless opposition leader.

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Where did anyone say she was the perfect person?

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The right ruined the UK the left are goofing around trying to fix it. If you don’t care about the difference don’t post here.

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My parents were recently with me for a late christmas. My mum told me this story repeatedly, of how Reeves had presented herself during her time in politics as a high powered economist but it turns out she had only ever been a bank teller. It was something that clearly had really agitated her.

It’s wild talking a parent who used to be really smart, a role model for the value of being inquisitive and caring about what is going on, to have them say something to you that you can immediately think “yeah, there is no way this story as told is true.”

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Spread falsehoods on the internet.

Get called out for it.

Complain about people spreading falsehoods on the internet.

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