Huge point here.
Gove, “we’ve had enough of experts”
I think i’m right in him stating that. Just over the last 3 years or so there’s been a huge uprising in conspiracy theories.
Maybe this thread shows what’s wrong. Everyone jumps on whatever is said. Same with the media. They live to make a politician make a mistake to get a story. How can you get constructive debate and change in that environment.
That’s a very interesting juxtaposition with what @Mascot just said.
You might be able to choose your truth, or rather, a subjective interpretation, but not having common facts in the first place is a major issue.
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Social media does not allow truth! I have a 7 year old daughter. God knows it’s impossible to navigate. People jump on whatever they want to believe.
Fine.
@redalways i love your debate. You are one smart guy. But life is not about finding fault, calling out errors……
That’s not all life is about, but I think if you want to have a debate you need to be able to agree on some basic facts at least. If there aren’t any common facts, there’s no common ground to be had.
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All too often these days debates are actually about arguing what is actually a fact or otherwise.
There really shouldnt be any argument on facts, only on what they mean going forward and how to best tackle the issues that arise from them.
Classic example is trying to debate with a climate change denier. You spend all your time arguing why its real and how it’s caused by human activity rather than whst the impacts are and how they can be managed, mitigated.
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So Rachel Reeves has an Oxbridge PPE degree, exactly the same as more than a handful of the blokes that preceded her as Chancellor?
Pretty fucking hypocritical and undoubtedly misogynistic to be calling her out as unqualified, to be honest.
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Yes, but she went to a comprehensive school, so clearly an oik…
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Honestly. You are right. She is the perfect person. Ou pick your sides. You have a view. But as a country we are ruined. Left. Right. Who cares.
I find it odd that some still support those that were responsible for a large proportion of the damage in the first place.
But let’s look a Badenochs performance this week. Firstly Labours current econimic plans were all stolen from the Tories. But they are also anti growth.
Thats quite an admission. Clearly a clueless opposition leader.
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Where did anyone say she was the perfect person?
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The right ruined the UK the left are goofing around trying to fix it. If you don’t care about the difference don’t post here.
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My parents were recently with me for a late christmas. My mum told me this story repeatedly, of how Reeves had presented herself during her time in politics as a high powered economist but it turns out she had only ever been a bank teller. It was something that clearly had really agitated her.
It’s wild talking a parent who used to be really smart, a role model for the value of being inquisitive and caring about what is going on, to have them say something to you that you can immediately think “yeah, there is no way this story as told is true.”
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Spread falsehoods on the internet.
Get called out for it.
Complain about people spreading falsehoods on the internet.
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This is the problem right here. Every person today wants to be a fucking contrarian. Everyone wants to show clever they are by not being taken in by traditional politics, or the mainstream media, or by the establishment.
But in doing so they leave themselves absolute wide open to having their consciousness filled with drivel from even worse sources than those they have rejected, many of them acting maliciously to further their own aims.
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It is impossible to overstate the relevance of this.
On this forum I have been “educated” by someone accusing me of being too disinterested in the truth to deviate from the status quo. They called out my old fashioned thinking by pointing to their knowledge of emerging research. In their mind it invalidated what I was saying and blew holes in the conventional wisdom I was spouting. The problem is it did not. The respective ideas were completely compatible with each other. That is obviously not how it was presented in what ever source he encountered it and he simply didn’t know enough about the topic to understand the implications of the information he was now promoting. But what was important was he now had access to novel information the boffins didn’t have and were too myopic to acknowledge, and if only the nerds were as open minded as he was maybe we’d be in a better in a place. But of course this was bollocks and not just because he misunderstood the meaning of the info he was presenting, but because it was not remotely emerging research. I was being “educated” on stuff I was published in 15 years before and is something that is now completely mainstream and part of the conventional wisdom.
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She was asked on live TV this morning by Richard Madeley, “Why do you say you worked for the Bank of England for a decade, when it was only 5 years?”
Her answer, " It’s more important what I’m doing for growth now"
Sounds like it was embellishment to me
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