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I have just read many articles in the Norwegian media as well as the Guardian, but don’t follow it as closely as you do obviously. It’s just that so many ministers losing condifence in him is kind of a death sentence.
I didn’t intend to say he should step down at this very moment in any case, just announce his future departure so the party could choose the next leader in an orderly manner.
But you know the little details much better than me.
Jess Phillips has resigned.
Looks like it’s starting to unravel.
Got to admit, if Starmer goes, which I think it looks like he should, the potential replacements don’t exactly fill me with hope.
There is no hope. We’re ungovernable.
Starmer has been on the back foot since day one, because he didn’t fix 14 years of destruction overnight.
To be fair he’s been in charge of a government that has made plenty of errors in its delivery, messaging and policy selection. As well as having ministers that have had their heads in the trough. That’s been easy meat for the RW press. He’s also a long way to the right for a Labour PM.
Mandelson was the real killer though and imo there is something quite sinister with his appointment and his chief advisor.
I concede he’s been on a hiding to nothing but something isn’t right with him.
It seems to be turning into a civil war with the left of the party stirring up the unrest. 2 MPs on different wings were practically snarling at each other on the BBC at lunchtime…
I hoped they would not go down the same road as the Tories changing leader every 12 months or so. Blair, 25 years ago, is the last PM to survive the full term. That pretty much sums up the sad state of UK politics. Grifters, the lot of them.
Cameron managed a full term, didn’t he?
Yes he did. The coalition. My mistake..
My point wasn´t really about foreigners.
My point was that it needs to essentially have these ridiculous conditions to survive and actually doesn´t deliver that much value nowadays in terms of churning out job-ready graduates ready for work. So many people go and get into massive debt for no reason.
For me it needs to be reduced to the point of actually being efficient and useful rather than the giant waste it currently is and subjecting young people to a life time of debt. Basically it needs a massive overhaul or restructure.
A while back I listened to a US politics podcast and they were doing a special Labour in crisis episode with the two hosts of the old Talking Politics podcast. I’ve heard them on cross over episodes before and they have always come across like academics not as partisan analysts, but this time they could not stop sticking the boot in on Starmer individually for how badly he has done his job. It was bordering on vitriolic.
This is a modern convention that university is supposed to produce job ready graduates and its never really been something the academy itself has signed on to as its purpose.
He and some of his MP’s have made life very easy for those looking to poke holes.
It´s exactly what it suggests to young people.
But if it doesnt do that it has very little value to society other than more scientific fields and research, and doesn´t need to be promoted.
As Will said, most of it could be learned with just a dollar fifty in late charges at the public library.
No Magnus. No. Go to bed.
and to @Mascot from the previous thread
speaking from an Australian experience
the education industry in australia is too big and open to rorting.
regards rorting;
cut price labour is being brought into Australia en masse on student Visas, industries are rife with pupils that are not here for education purposes, in the construction sector you actually see vans full of young immigrants being bussed into construction sites performing work at rates no Australian business can compete with. Then you have all sorts of horror stories in hospitality, with barely a month going by without hearing of another immigrant worked on a student visa basically being a serf. this is not an anti immigration stance.
regarding money into the economy;
yeah, not so sure its a massive net gain, we now have laws on foreign ownership of student accomadation units becuase overseas money was pouring in a funding 1 bedroom and studio ghettos, these student accomadation focussed apartment buildings are a blight on a suberb and solve exactly zero issues with our housing crisis.
students do spend money on food, you see plenty of them and cash only establishments run by fellow countrymen and women who im sure are paying the correct amount of tax before sending it all ‘home’
regarding living standards;
ultimately, this diploma for sale industry i think holistically is self defeating, with students spending 100s of 1000s of dollars to qualify for a job that doenst actually require that level of debt to enter… specifically, again, in construction, the amount of young people with an extra 4 years of education in middle to senoir roles at mid teir builders seems self defeating, these are roles that require nous and experience more than a degree in whatever it is…
i will also say… @Mascot in regards to your direct reply from the previous thread, where you found it astounding that anyone could question the foreign education systems worth… yes, i am actually questioning the industry… its too bloated, forcing the next generation to again, line the pockets of the Boomer generation, just to get a fucking job…
basic education now finishes at around 24 years old, and you come out of it in serious debt…the fucking boomer generation have pillaged the latest generation, they couldnt even leave them alone to study… not fit for purpose
I am certainly aware of the issues in recent years surrounding the University industry in Australia. And maybe in a general way, we are on the same page in that I believe in regulation and more importantly, enforcement. I am absolutely on the side of governmental intervention on specific issues surrounding this industry, including what you mentioned, that students are coming on student visas that can be issued too liberally and they are coming to actually work. This meant there are loopholes on who sponsored the visas and dodgy educational institutions, agents etc who are part of these eco system of fraudulent students. These need to be controlled, regulated and as I always believe the problem is enforcement. Punish these people.
As for the debate on whether a degree or diploma is necessary, its pretty much an individual decision, isn’t it? The authorities cannot be going out and say not to go for higher education. Like any industry, it should be left to the consumers to decide whether its worth the effort and investment and what the authorities should do is to plug the loopholes so that other segments of society are not affected, their job is to grow the industry in a responsible way.
This is the question I ask of anyone who thinks division and persecution are an answer to anything.
Get rid of immigrants…who next?
Another scapegoat..then what?
Who’s next? Your next door neighbour or even someone in your own family?
Reform and their ilk are stirring up a cauldron of fear and hatred, while they and backers will carry on milking this country dry.
By the time all the ignorant racists or those with “legitimate concerns” get the message, it will be too late.
yeah you are probably right…
unfortunately, it feels as though kids right now are doing a Uni Degree, not because they are driven to learn, but simply to ‘keep up’
theres an impending threat that no higher education will destroy their chances of financial freedom… which led to my comment that basic education is now extrapolated out to age 24 (ish) where they enter the workforce to a greater amount of debt, just to secure a job thats basic wage just keeps them ticking along just above the poverty line…
genuinely feels like another way the younger generations are being screwed whilst the older generations (investors) get wealthier.
imagine a world where education is free to the local community, and provided on the basis of improving society… instead we have a system now thats just purely driven by sales. bah.
This conversation has drifted somewhat from its original spark.
First of all universities are not just about education - in fact I would imagine most institutions would see undergraduate education as a secondary or even tertiary function. Universities are primarily about research. (The rights and wrongs of this are a separate matter)
Foreign students have always been an income stream for universities, even going back to the days of free education. Getting rid of that income stream would severely hamper universities and the costs would inevitably be passed to ‘are own’ students, pushing university education further out of the reach of ordinary people.
So you want to ‘train are own people’ to be doctors and surgeons, while simultaneously scaling back the institutions that would be vital in achieving this aim?