Continuing the discussion from UK Politics Thread (Part 4) - #5378 by Liverdinner.
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Not sure why, but those are strange questions to ask.
The university sectors contribute hundreds of billions to the UK and created plenty of jobs. Students domestically and from overseas pay fees, rent homes, pay bills, buy groceries, shop at high streets and local stores which again contribute to jobs. Are you saying to deliberately suppress this sector to bring in lesser students from overseas?
I am not a fan of government enforced minimum pay but from an economy point of view, it is strange to even think of not wanting this sector to grow in the name of getting less foreigners in?
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Dear me Zack. Yet another âunintentional mistakeâ. You do seem to be making a habit of this.
Not a good look for an aspiring PM, is it. Thatâs 2 in a week nowâŚ
Maybe compare notes with Ange. She forgot where she lived as well and had to lay low for a whileâŚbut sheâs back now.
This isnât a good look either mate but I wonât tell anyone.
Before entering politics, Mr Polanski appeared in a S*n newspaper feature in which he attempted to enlarge a female reporterâs breasts using hypnotherapy.
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Nothing wrong with wanting to make breasts bigger. 
But if the Greens ever got into power, England would be finished. No border, no Nato membership and no nuclear deterrent. Yeah, thatâs a good idea! Weâll be totally safe, quick vote them in for a brighter future. 
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A Labour / Green coalition may be necessary to keep Reform UK out, so he needs to get his act together if he wants to be part of a future cabinet.
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Same for Reform. If you think immigration stops if they get into power, youâre kidding yourself.
âEnglandâ would be eaten alive under a Reform government.
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Withdrawal from NATO and removal of the nuclear deterrent is longer a Green Party policy. I was at a talk with Zack P recently and he was very clear about this.
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We may or may not end up with a reform government and if we do itâll be largely a single issue vote in my humble opinion.
We have never voted for more illegal immigration, but it keeps coming and itâs causing huge, justified concerns in lots of areas. So eventually people will switch their vote to the new party that appears to be saying theyâll finally get it sorted. Nobody will vote reform because theyâre best equipt to govern overall. Theyâll vote to stop England being over run with all the doctors and engineers who keep arriving in dover.
To your point directly though. Voting Labour/Green certainly wonât stop it and voting Conservative isnât going to be much better based on the last decade. So the next logical step for anyone deeply concerned (which appears to be a large part of the population) is to vote for a party like reform.
Can I ask, are you a Green supporter? If itâs none of my business then thatâs fair enough.
We kind of did, when we voted to leave the EU.
Secondly, itâs only a massive issue because Farage and his supporters in the press have made it one, and secondly because the Tories gutted the system dealing with it for profit.
The numbers are falling under this government.
This is the result of the messaging I mentioned above. Reform may not solve it. They have little interest in solving it. They need an enemy. If they do, ask yourself who will be next? I suspect they will just make lots of noise and not really solve it. Theyâre after bigger prizes in leaving the ECHR and the NHS.
sorry. I just canât do this.
Iâm staying out of here and sticking to football. Good luck to you.
Iâve usually voted Labour, but Iâve also always been green curious. Basically, as is necessary in a first past the post system, Iâll vote for who I need to to keep the Tories/Reform out.
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I guess facts hurt, which is exactly whatâs wrong with the UK right now.
Ok, each to their own. I have decided to stay out of the politics thread from now on. Itâs just not gonna go well Iâm new here, so Iâll stick to football.
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Just to add to @Noo_Nooâs points, itâs really important when discussing this that we donât fall into the trap of describing all arrivals into the country as âillegalâ
If people claim asylum they are not illegal. They have the right to remain until their claim is assessed. It doesnât matter how they arrive.
If they are successful in their application for asylum (and 75% are) then their right to remain is extended. If they arenât successful, they are deported.
The reason why Reform and their mates persistently use this language is because they want you to think of asylum seekers as criminals and make them a target for your hatred.
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Labour did bring in legislation about arriving without documentation. It can be challenged/ appealed if you can provide a case on why you havenât got ID etc.
Worth noting that a fair chunk of asylum seekers do have documentation. Some even arrive by other more regular means.
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ye gawds heâs doing politics now
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He is really not an asipiring PM, one hopes. A coalition partner hopefully, but his extremely ignorant and low-IQ foreign policy and his constant gaffes, as well as all of these little convenient lies, would make his regime highly interesting in a Chinese way.
As an outsider, I hope for a coalition with Labour, Lid Dems and maybe the Greens. As long as the Greens donât get a say in security politics and do not get to run the foreign policy, the UK would be fine with such a coalition. The UK Greens have a lot of good domestic political ideas, but their security politics, as well as naive foreign policy, is significantly more naive and blindered than the Norwegian party Red (previously Marxist-Leninist, now socialist with social democratic tendencies). And significantly so too.
But they could positively impact Labourâs social policies and if they were in government together (hopefully with the Lib Dems to strenghten the foreign policy vote agains the Greens), it would maybe be better than a labour gov alone.
That having been said, based on the recent news, Starmer should announce his departure now and allow an orderly leadership transition. If his priority is the party and not himself.
But I am just writing opinions of course.
I would be very surprised if the Greens were given any posts like that in a coalition. They would have to be the bigger partner.
I think there are a lack of clear, strong candidates though, and many of those that may throw their hat in the ring also have their own baggage, so I donât think now is a good time for Starmer to go.
There has been much talk about Andy Burnham challenging for example, but he is still Mayor and not yet got a parliamentary seat.
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