UK Politics Thread (Part 5)

To be honest I thought he was absolutely godawful and so was his cabinet of numpties. I´ll give him his due that he has had the decency to step down now, at the very least.

Intrigued to see what the next person does and if we get much different. I´m skeptical. Might be nice for some people to be feeling hopeful though and a fairly blank slate.

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Yeah , he claimed that he misspoke and the remark was made in the aftermath of Oct 7 when politicians everywhere were all in on the 'Israel’s right to defend itself ’ narrative. I don’t think for one minute that he was condoning those more extreme Israeli voices who were calling for the starvation of an entire population.

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Perhaps Mascot meant in contrast to being a radical or ideologue which, given the dreadful position the UK is in 10 years since brexit, is perhaps what is both necessary and desired by a large section of the voting public.

Yeah, I personally never had an issue with her. Some appear to have issues using the Rachel from accounts jibe. Difficult job for anyone unless you’re Jeremy Hunt or Osbourne and you get a free run at cutting everything to the bone and excused for poor growth.

Where I do have an issue is Labours Comms department. That’s been woeful at times. A few policy choices too but even then the communications that followed those policy announcements was awful.

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I don’t think that is correct. There is obviously long running tensions within the party between both(?) wings of the party. However, they were pretty vocal against him in the run up to the leadership election.

When he won, they immediately leaked that report with personal data that led to highly publicised investigations and they’ve been trying to embarrass and destabilise him ever since with shadow cabinet members such as Rebecca Long-Bailey engineering resignations and the whole meme of “I don’t know what he stands for” etc.

Fundamentally, I don’t think Burnham will have significantly more freedom to act on the Labour election manifesto than Starmer. There are more demands on the Exchequer than there were, and less capacity to borrow. One obvious example is there is far greater pressure to increase defence spending than just two years ago, and as with many matters in Britain, the current government is facing the consequences of necessary spending delayed for well over a decade.

Consider the basic point that Truss lasted only 50 days because of a spike in the gilt market (that her irresponsible policy caused) that strained the UK’s finances to near breaking. The gilt yield at the peak was 4.51%. It is at 4.81% now. Just about anything progressive that Burnham does is going to push it upward. At the same time, he cannot afford to recycle what Starmer has been saying for the past 2 years or so, yet his ascendance will bring heightened near-term expectations.

The term ‘poison chalice’ comes to mind.

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It’s a long time since I last read those words ‘radical’ and ‘ideologue’ who characterises these?

Starter came across as quite radically soft and ‘turntail’. Even in opposition. Some of his stances were horrifying (Israel). He didn’t even seem to know how to use his majority which is weak rather than pragmatic.

How have you made it clearer for me?

I fear I have not.

It’s not an enviable task for sure. :see_no_evil_monkey:

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It’s like lottery. He gets maybe a 1% chance of going down in history fondly remembered in his country. But at least the chance of him being historically despised 50 years after the initial condemnations of him have finished, all in all and such as that is; is probably not above 20%

He literally did, at the same time they were

He withdrew the whip from Corbyn because he stated that the antisemitism stuff was ‘dramatically overstated for political reasons’, which was absolutely the truth

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haha i was actually saying i quoted flobs by accident

not a comment on Starmer.

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The Tragedy of The Third Plumber.

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Pretty spot on article.

The most disastrous financial folly of the last 15 years that simply HAS to go.

Yep.
Take away their bus passes too.
Sponging old cunts

After reading some of these comments I had thoughts on Starmer’s failings. Then I read that Fergal Sharkey is leading the efforts to fix our water system and decided it was time to log off the for night

I’ve heard a lot of stories and I suppose they could be true

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https://x.com/tompeck/status/2068958687973069079?s=61&t=VxX1vHU3NOwwNhlbyICG-g

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Yeah, never mind our OAP’s get a fucking stingy pension in comparison to a lot of other countries, still pay tax on their pensions even if they only have a small private pension to supplement their scabby state pension, pay tax on the food they eat, the petrol they put in their cars etc…that 2.5% rise they’re guaranteed each year is a fucking disgrace innit?

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