UK Politics Thread (Part 5)

Look, Lynchy obviously can’t be racist, he’s got a black girlfriend!

I hate the term “Wealth imbalances”. Firstly, of course inherited land or royalty are from a time in history and that level of wealth without effort should be looked at.

What really annoys me is many, many people from whatever background have worked hard, very hard to accumulate some level of “wealth” or security. The broad term lumps them into the same category as “wealthy”. Should people be penalised for working hard and doing well?

and “broadest shoulders should pay more”. Does anyone understand basic percentages. 25% of more is more than 25% of less!!! They already pay more even before you look at higher tax bands.

Of course we need to help more people have the opportunity to work hard and make a decent living. Of course many jobs are underpaid for the effort but I am sick of people trying to penalise success and, frankly, hard work.

Throwing the concept of ‘hard work’ into a discussion of wealth inequality is the reddest of herrings.

Literally no-one in this thread has said hard work should be penalised.

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I don’t want to go there to be honest. I’m just not sure what nationality had to do with people scamming the system.

In fact there’s one or two sitting in parliament right now.

Pretty good.

Also the idea of dividends taxed at the same rate as income, so people who own businesses can´t get around paying their proper share of tax.

Maybe the wrong term but it’s not a red herring at all. If you strive, succeed and build some level of security - some might say wealth depending on definition - then that’s different from inherited wealth.

The red herring is a blind definition and dogmatic view that earning a good wage needs to be penalised by default as if you were gifted it.

Actually has a lot to do with tbf , when dealing with fraud referrals day in, day out you tend to notice there is a front runner in the nationalites defrauding benefits .

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Interesting. Anything you can point me towards to look up?

Pretty sure I’ve seen him say he’s mixed race, ie not white.
Could be mistaken though.

So if he is a racist then surely he’s bucked the often rolled out narrative that its all about whites being anti black/brown/yellow/red?

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I’ve never said he is that and honestly so what?. The comments were walking a thin line though. To me anyway.

Regarding the second part of your post, I won’t respond. I personally don’t want to open that can of worms.

Nope, just personal experience from the work i do checking fraud cases for dwp and passing off agent notes to other agents within cfcd.

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Absolutely. The real anger is directed at wealth accrued through capital gains. The money you earn by just having shitloads of money already. That’s where the real accumulation occurs.

On wealth inequality. It´s not necessarily such a big issue in the present, if the overall pie is getting considerably bigger too. Basically everyone is getting richer but they´re getting more richer.

But it´s not getting bigger. Currently they are transferring wealth more and more from your average person to themselves and the pie isn´t getting much bigger so basically they are getting more share of the same amount of resources and wealth. Their power makes it easier and easier for them to do.

Though you could argue that even with a bigger pie, the power dynamic of such inequality makes it a matter of time before it becomes a big issue.

I’d argue it is a big problem, it just hasn’t fully revealed itself yet.

No but what I said is, the pie isn´t getting bigger which is why it´s such an issue. The overall resources are staying the same and the share owned by the rich is increasing.

So that´s why it´s a big problem right now. Bigger than previously.

Ok I misunderstood but I still don’t think we’ve seen the full impact of it yet. And the wealth transfer is far from finished.

It’s at the point where it a snowball effect.

The shit thing for all of us, is that the sums of money that we’re talking about can’t just be left in a bank. The only think you can do with that kind of dough is to buy up assets.

Honestly if somehow I got hold of a billion quid I’d give most of it away. That kind of money is just a pain in the arse.

Yeah as Mascot said, it will accelerate now. Especially as they have figured out all the formulas and systems to do it more and more.

It´s more or less the same issue but I am more even concerned by the mega corporations than any individual though. Europe is dominated by American tech firms. They have such free reign and what they do is so anti-competitive. It´s got to the point where you think how can any small UK business (or whatever country) compete with Amazon?

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Huh, we were talking about regression. I dismissed your point of the wealth imbalance being a regression by saying it was a historic issue.
I am not assuming anything, I am just not wasting my time crying over something that I have no control over.
I have said many times that I oppose the wealth imbalance. But this has been an issue since day dot.

Fuck me, you are impossible. There are a lot of elderly people who have never owned their own house.
Why do you always have to be on the edge of despair? Why is every day the end of society. You are so set on being miserable you have waffled on about the suffragettes and associating it to being able to buy a house. when all I was alluding to was about having dreams and not letting anyone else shut them down. This was in response to one of your points!

:man_facepalming:t3::man_shrugging:t3: So, if a crime is happening you look for trends. If the nationality of the directors for all these shops is the same, it’s a trend.
If you reread my post you would see that I also said The shops all had the same name, again that is a trend.
So if one shop is guilty of criminal activity, would it not be reasonable to have concerns about the others?

So can I ask why you feel uncomfortable?