Keeping Starmer or electing Streeting would be a gift for Reform,and Labour can kiss their arses goodbye for a while.Surely commonsense suggests a change of course given the recent elections.
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Continuing the discussion from UK Politics Thread (Part 4):
I havenāt accused you of anything apart from posting unfavourably towards farmers. I never misrepresented you because I didnāt state what you said. Further more all I asked for was you to clarify your position.
It is quite simple really!
You stated that one of your biggest issues was corporate ownership of the food chain. True or False?
Knowing your support on Labours policy to remove the Inheritance Tax relief on Farmers (a policy they rowed back on) all I asked for was you to clarify your stance. True or False?
You have failed to clarify your stance, by side stepping the question. Making some non comparable comparison and falling back to your de facto get out of jail clause of calling me out for responding in bad practice and then throwing the why do I bother, itās a waste of time rhetoric.
Frustration:
Itās wearing thin mate, I have responded to you numerous times in good faith and never got a true answer in return. Itās gotten to a point where I have to highlight where my responses are to be taken in jest for fear of your over reaction.
It is quite alright for you to throw unjustified negatives at me and yet when I jokingly suggest you would make a good politician I get the ādonāt you everā response.
Funnily enough, your impassioned response actually made me question whether after being labelled a racist amongst other things I was being a bit aggressive/unfair by comparing you to a politician.
You are one of the main voices on this thread, one that I pay attention to. I personally feel that you could use that voice more positively.
I donāt know whether to take that as a compliment or an insult as to you missing my input.
On a serious note, there was no need for me to post.
We all knew how much of a shit show the local elections would be for Labour. In reality it was a very sad day for British Politics, never have we been so divided, so lacking of a plan.
You may jump on the Lynch is a RW Reform voter bandwagon and that is upto you. But apart from a couple of laughing face emojis where does it get you? Iām not laughing.
I must say itās a sad state of affairs if Merseyside is ditching Labour for Reform.
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Ahemā¦
Religious/cultural history, thank you very muchā¦
Art historians are losers and weirdos.
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Rightly so, if you believe Paul Holden who has investigated Starmerās rise, which largely involved Morgan McSweeney working behind the scenes with Mandelson to destroy Corbyn and that entire wing of the party. It sounds like a proper hatchet job.
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Just on universities and career pathways. I got my first ārealā job via university. A major UK Contractor came to university and held interviews for students interested in working for them for a year as a sandwich placement. I was one of 5 selected. I returned to that same Contractor after graduating. They actually gave me money in my final year too.
Large engineering firms still go to universities looking for the next batch of employees. Competition is pretty fierce given the UKās shortage of technical people
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If anything, I would imagine it is Paul Holden doing a āhatchet jobā, given the top links from a quick google search are to The Canary, Jewish Voice for Labour and Novara media and what is passing as āreviewsā on other sites.
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I agree regarding the source. It should be taken with caution, but the whole McSweeney, Mandelson thing stinks to high heaven and itās no surprise that the left side of the Labour Party are up in arms at it. Starmer, McSweeney and Mandelson have shifted the party quite some distance to the right.
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What a fucking tired boring response. Thatcher couldnāt have put it better.
I donāt appreciate/understand the value of an arts degree, therefore itās worthless.
Fuck me.
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I suspect thereās people in the world right now that wouldnāt object to history lessons / degrees being wiped off the Earth.
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Also, something thatās been bugging me for a while. Right wing, Reform voting types always respond to the idea that we need immigration to maintain the levels of doctors and surgeons with the idea that we have to ātrain are own doctorsā.
Itās a lovely idea, the notion that you can take a young British kid and train them how to be a medical professional. As if weāre talking about a fucking BTEC in heart surgery.
The kind of intervention and investment that would be needed to produce a generation of British Doctors, Surgeons, Engineers, Scientists etc - basically anything we currently import - is staggering, it would need twenty years minimum to come to fruition, and it would have to start by addressing the poverty which is the biggest factor in why kids fail in their education. It would never be tolerated by adherents of a low tax, minimal state neo liberal economic model.
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Iām not the only one here who gets tired of you misrepresenting their views. Others have called you out on this. There are posters who just wonāt engage with you.
I donāt know why you think itās a contradiction and worthy of you thinking you have a gotcha moment.
I am concerned about the impacts of GM on farming and I also think farmers should pay their inheritance tax (especially since there has been an increasing trend for very wealthy people to buy farms precisely as a means of avoiding inheritance tax).
Why do you feel this is a contradiction?
Maybe a better place to start is with the idea that everyone should pay tax. Thatās my position. Farmers, Doctors, Nurses. Butchers, bakers, candlestick makers.
I donāt think the tax burden is right at the minute. We should be putting more emphasis on taxing wealth, and poor people shouldnāt be paying a greater proportion of their income as tax than the wealthy. But in principle everyone should be paying tax. Including farmers.
Does that help?
Iāll admit, itās something Iām in favour of for all technical vocations including teachers etc. And because of the reasons you point out I agree itās remarkably difficult and a long term project, BUT it would signal a massive shift in how we as a nation invest in ourselves. Unsurprisingly, it is the exact opposite direction of those calling for it would actually take the UK.
Looking into the tea leaves, will our need for all professions (vocational or not) actually decrease over the next 50 years. The development of robotics and AI will surely impact everything - teaching, plumbing, surgery, engineering, construction, nursing, pretty much everything and thus vastly reduce the need for vocational training or university training.
How do you prepare a society to be of no use?
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I really donāt understand why thereās this arguement against foreign students etc. I mean for the last 30 years weāve been going more and more to a world service provider. Now people want to suddenly just not just stop this expansion but send it back to some undefined dark age. Replacing it with what?
This coming from some calling themselves educated in economics. Well that education didnāt go very well did it, where they sleeping in the important courses?
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Either university is an incredibly valuable opportunity and so that should be preserved for our own people and therefore strict restriction on foreign students should be implemented. Or, a university education is not what it was and is now a waste of time and money. I donāt agree with either argument, but appreciate why some people might make either of them. What you often see though is that both arguments are often made by the same person, despite them being contradictory.
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This is the key and the reason why international students and lower standards have become endemic. If government funded (perhaps reduced) places properly, or perhaps funded a tier of universities properly, then this could change.
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Deplorables canāt but deplore.
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Wes Streeting has resigned.
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Intesting idea.
Could the future be where someone asks AI to design a bridge, and off it goes?
The thing I have is thereās a process to this which includes a design check. Would you ask AI to do a design check on an AI design? Feels wrong