The story is more complicated than us training too many doctors. There are two issues with employment for Drs
lack of training spots for medical school graduates. Becoming a fully qualified doctor is a multiple step process. Uni places have increased as required to fit the need for more doctors, but there has not been a corresponding increase in the number of spots available for these intermediate training steps creating a big bottle neck
mismatch between what specialty grads want to go into and the specialty where there is a big need. We need GPs, but being a GP sucks so no med students want to go in that direction and the system hasnt dont much yet to incentivize that decision or make being a GP be less shit. I think this applies to a lesser degree as well in terms of geography.
Gilt yields have left 5% in the rear view mirror. A week from now, this is going to dominate UK politics. They have not been this high since the 2007 financial crisis, and the rate of change is comparable to the surge that brought down Truss.
Mate itâs a tired excuse for failing to engage or being unable to accept my points.
Letâs go all âno shit Sherlockâ for a second. I will hold my hands up and accept that I have at times misinterpreted someoneâs point of view, you will also find I have apologised if this issue has been raised and has substance. I can hold my hand on my heart and 100% state that I have never ever posted with the intention of mis representing someoneâs post.
We are all guilty of responding before reading, you got angry the other day, offended that I called you a Politician. But I didnât, I suggested you had the attributes to be a good politician.
As stated in my response, how have I misrepresented you. You support the removal of the inheritance benefits on farmers, itâs documented in the thread history. Yet, the other day you stated one of your biggest issues is the Corporate ownership of the Food chain.
This is your debate in a nut shell. You are so paranoid of wealthy people cheating the system, that you are happy to cut your nose off to spite your face.
So there has been an increasing trend for very wealthy people to buy farms precisely as a means of avoiding inheritance tax? Do you have âFacts/statsâ - you know them important things you bleated on about recently to keep the world true - to support this, or are you simply using a few crass words from Jeremy Clarkson to stereotype the whole sector.
Again, I am going to go into âno shit Sherlock modeâ. Yes, everyone should pay their tax. But that statement is not what we were discussing. We were discussing inheritance tax! Doctors, Nurses, Butchers, Bakers and Jack the candlestick maker donât have their wealth assessed on speculative land value.
Itâs pretty fucking simple, an estate is valued predominantly on its land, that is to buy the land as a whole. A Farmer cannot sell a single field at the same market price, because it is worthless without the infrastructure behind it. Why would anyone buy a field?
So to summarise, you believe that the Family farms, who have been working the land for generations. Passing down skills and being vital for the local population, should have their inheritance tax benefits removed because of a couple of rich people buying farms to cheat the system and on the other hand state one of your biggest issues is the food chain becoming cooperate owned??
Please correct me if I have misrepresented you - unintentionally - but your points seem a bit counter productive.
As we touched upon, we need to find a happy medium between weaponising and dismissing this issue.
I am not going to dispute your Farage and Press accusations because although important, we will fail to find middle ground and I accept that.
I agree that in some instances problems regarding immigration have been inflated, sensationalised but at the same time other areas have been dismissed and almost excused and I believe this factors into the publics fears equally.
The most discussed figures are the boat crossings.
I think the Key points section in the attached link is important. Boat crossings fell across most countries but rose in the UK.
Also, boat crossing asylum applications are more likely to be approved.
The problem in my opinion is that both the Left and the Right look at it in black and white to suit their narrative.
Is immigration important? Hell yes.
Is controlled immigration important? Hell yes.
It is about getting the right balance. The UK, predominantly since the later part of the last century, has promoted and championed itself on its approach to Human Rights and its Ethical reputation. I applaud that, but at the same time we have become guilty of supporting financially people who are under no threat of persecution, or financial hardship and people who have no intention and/or even the relevant skills to be of value.
I disagree with the Brexit notion, because the UKs figures are not an anomaly, figures are replicated across Europe.
Debatable, do Reform use this language because they want people to allign with their views that people seeking asylum are criminals or are they using this language to show they are listening to the electorate?
In Birmingham, there were massive gains by Independent Pro-Palestine candidates. The two major voices in their campaign have questionable back grounds. In their campaign videos, they referred to anyone not on board as Zionists, alledgedly burnt an Israel flag and blamed Labour for trying to introduce inclusivity (LGBTQ) in to school curriculum. The one campaigner was given a restriction order for intimidating the Staff. Is this not hatred.
As mentioned, immigration shouldnât be weaponised and/or equally importantly, dismissed as a propaganda tool of the Right. To have concerns about immigration does not define you as a racist.
I personally feel that the majority of people voting Reform is not down to them swallowing up every word Farage says, or because they are Racist. It is because they are becoming ever frustrated at being labelled by the left and having their views dismissed as ideology and of the opinion that they have been brainwashed by the RW media.
I believe we need to get away from the notion that Immigration concerns are solely a UK problem, a RW problem, a Party problem and understand why Right leaning parties are seeing their support grow.
It canât all be blamed on RW propaganda. There has to be a point of accountability.
The scary thing is, is that the LW see themselves as morally superior and are too stubborn/ignorant to try and understand/ engage with and overly excited to dismiss the concerns of the people voting for Reform.
If anything the Left are pushing people towards Farage. Quite shocking really the level of ignorance.
Iâm not implying anything, I am intrigued in yours and Liverdinners debate. As stated you both raise valid points.
Sorry to be lazy but if you have the figures/stats to answer your question could you please provide them so I can have a look. Thanks
What I find amusing is the common trend of using the word ignorant in this context is for emphasis rather than as an adjective.
By using the word Ignorant in that context it becomes a bit hypocritical, as it suggests rudeness, close mindedness and prejudice to other peopleâs views/beliefs without understanding. Obviously not the characteristics of LW politics.
Your post again sums up your approach to these debates. Like when you determined I was losing in a previous debate.
I donât give a monkeys about winning or losing a debate. In my opinion a debate is about engaging in discussion and understanding people from different back grounds and life experiences.
I find your approach childish like and a self absorbed way of engaging.
A âGotcha momentâ fuck me, how old are you. If I was after a Gotcha moment I would raise Jeremy Beadle from the Dead and go full hog at your next community meeting.
@Lynch04 in the midst of this latest overnight posting splurge are there one or two points youâd like me to address? There is more there than I can read and digest, never mind reply to. This isnât a full time job for me, and Iâd rather be using the time I have here to talk about the footy.
(By the way, donât insult me and then think using a fishing emoji gets you off the hook. We donât have a banter relationship)
It does make me laugh. The implication being anyone who has a different view/different lived experience is just ill-informed or spoon-fed their point of view by the right-wing press. Incapable of forming their own opinions while they themselves are some sort of enlightened, infallible purveyor of the truth.
I honestly donât get where youâre going with this. Boat crossings are a tiny proportion of all immigration. Personally I think boat crossings and regular immigration are 2 separate topics but the narrative has lumped them together. Wonder why?
Cost wise is it a problem? Yes and no. Yes because we have to do it. That is basic human decency, but itâs also a small cost in the overall budget. Weâre picking up the bill for crime and international issues. They key is and has always been the speed of processing applications. The government to their credit are addressing this, and that includes deporting those found to have submitted fraudulent asylum claims. Those figures have increased. I should add that it is now illegal to arrive in the UK without documents. While it is possible to challenge that it appears to have helped.
Regular immigration is as I said a different topic imo. It includes students and all other brackets. This is down to government policy. A different policy to addressing boat crossings.
I could throw a heap of charts and numbers here if you like.
Boat crossings increased dramatically following Brexit and the loss of the Dublin accord as did regular immigration for different reasons..
Sell everyone the university dream and convince them they´re too good for perfectly decent normal jobs, watch them get churned out with questionable ability to get a place in the job market, many after doing lets face it rather pointless courses, hundreds of thousands of them unemployed meanwhile we continue to mass import people from abroad to work and are convinced we need it.
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