UK Politics Thread (Part 5)

Facts don’t care about your feelings, bro.

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Odious as Polanski is, nothing to see here.
Bloke in the picture basically has an XTC tee-shirt on.

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I get confused by stuff like this. When I was a kid the winters seemed fucking brutal, you’d wake up to ice on the inside of your bedroom window.
As time went by it was a regular thing to be de-icing your car in the morning.
The last 3 or 4 winters have been extremely mild. No need for de-icer. I don’t remember the last time we had weeks of cold weather. The weather seems to be getting more uniform throughout the year, just fucking dismal and wet.

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My personal observations are similar. We seem to be moving more towards a wet and a dry season. Winters are warm and it pisses it down relentlessly for weeks on end. Summer is drier, getting hotter and so on.

My understanding is that atmospheric warming is currently winning the tug of war with the weakening AMOC. Lots more moisture in the atmosphere translating into more of the deep weather systems and storms we get. So we stay warm but get wetter.

If the AMOC collapses the UK loses it’s stabilising force and we’ll get similar weather to other countries at a similar latitude.

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There are two effects happening. First, the direct warming which is increasing average temperatures year round. Second, the AMOC (colloquially, the Gulf stream) which brings warm air and water from the area of the Caribbean diagonally toward Western Europe.

The direct warming has taken the edge orf the winters and made summers hotter. The weakening of the AMOC is only just beginning to be seen in Europe with the increased frequency of the polar vortex, cold polar air moving down due to the weaker AMOC. We are seeing that much more quickly in North America. Our winters used to be fairly predictable. It would snow in November, drop below zero in December, and come back up sometime in March. Now we get many freeze-thaw cycles every winter, and a polar vortex every couple of weeks - so the average temperature is warmer, but we see extremes more often.

Once the AMOC just plain stops, which it appears it is moving toward, that warm air will simply stop coming to Western Europe, and the climate will become something like southern Labrador.

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That is unfortunately the story for people for most things, really…

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Number 10 North is a scam.

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Burnham invites other party leaders to talks on Social Care! Sensible and much needed. Credit to him.

But. You know they will not want to find agreement and let him take the credit and votes for any reform. That’s Politics and not fixing the country.

Parliament in Berwick upon Tweed then? Seems like a very traditional compromise.

I can definitely remember going to the match in the early 1980s and having to walk up Walton Breck Road because the buses couldn’t make it up in the snow.

The warming of the UK climate is definitely a thing. I worked on a project around 25 years ago which was related to insulating homes. They wanted to know whether insulating houses cut fuel bills or just encouraged people to turn up the thermostat (TLDR: cuts bills a lot). Anyway, we had data from gas suppliers regarding gas usage of homes that had been insulated and I needed to adjust it for the seasonal weather. I had a stack of data from the Met Office for weather-stations between around 1940 to 2000 (way more than I needed) and there was a noticable upward trend, particularly after 1980. It was so marked, that I actually queried it, but it was correct. Some of it may have been related to urban development, but most was just that the climate had become much milder.

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At least he tried,plenty of brownie points in that,and makes the two who would oppose it look pretty stupid.
Good one Andy!

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Lol, honestly it’s not a dig.
I said you would make a good politician a while ago and it hit a nerve, so I bring it up every now and then in humour.
I am definitely not trying to be offensive.
If it is a joke/dig that makes you feel uncomfortable, then let me know and I won’t mention it again - although I can’t promise.

I don’t know you personally, only from the forum but I could imagine your self assessment is not far from the truth.
Due to the nature of my Job, I try and be quite diplomatic. However, even then my sentences are often littered with expletives :joy::joy:.

You forgot the Falklands

Some valid points and I agree on them all in theory, it’s just how realistic are they.

From a manufacturing/car industry point of view, the UK has pretty much been in decline since the 70s and notably 80’s so banning non electric cars will not massively affect the coffers directly. However, we have a number of big production lines, with a large number of employees and further more a very reliant supply chain.
So unfortunately, that is never gonna happen. On this topic, I do feel we need to do more to incentivise people buying Electric cars.
I have previously expressed my frustrations with CAZ - happy to discuss some other time.

Your second point is a massive yes from me but it’s all money, money, money. We will probably finance it through foreign investment and then end up letting them make massive profits, run the infrastructure down through under investment and the Government will end up being held to account and bailing them out.
I am all up for focusing and investing heavily on the technology, but would you be happy if this was a result of increasing emissions for a long term gain?

Nuclear definitely, but let’s try and finance it ourselves and profit from it than outsource it to the French/Chinese.
In terms of waste, who knows, I have been waiting almost a year for the council to collect my recycling. Can we not just fly tip it somewhere - I joke.

Throw in closing down the loop holes on taxing companies like SHEIN/Amazon, etc. and whilst you’re at it, ban my GF from buying anything online.
I must rescue at least 5+ packages a week from the back garden hedge, gutter, etc. all delivered by a man in a van, in plastic packaging and often returned by me driving down to the local newsagents, where it is then transported to some black hole.
Put a government tax on food take away deliveries. When I was young I would maybe get a takeaway once every fortnight, now people have them delivering their daily morning coffee. More wastage.
As you touched upon, this can be solved to a large extent by making people care more or at least adapt their habits.
Teach your kids to turn their Tablets off, turn lights off, recycle - although pointless in B’ham :joy:.
We are all so guilty.

I must admit my knowledge on Renewable energy, Solar panels for individual properties is quite limited and maybe this highlights a problem, in that information is quite limited unless you actually go looking for it.
I have done many a supermarket fit-out and usually their roofs are carpeted with Solar panels. But, speaking to some of the engineers, they question its value, by that I mean set-up costs, maintenance, efficiency and wastage. Hopefully, you can answer this.
But, yes, I completely agree with your points on this.

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Was this whilst he was enjoying a game of Football and a prawn sandwich at his beloved Arsenal….

The BBC link states that he shared the image, which is an action rather than being a victim of simply being tagged in.
I doubt it was Zak himself, more likely his PR team.
The problem is it is pretty careless and crass considering Ann Widdecombe was only bludgeoned to death the other week. And at a time where Farage is trying to justify a donation on the back of security.

Yeah, I said it was a bit careless (and you are probably right that it’s his team). But it definitely wasn’t shared. He was tagged into twenty odd photos, most of them were Zack campaigning and meeting people and one of the last ones was the lad in the t-shirt. When it was pointed out, he apologised and removed the tag.

The main point here is that Farage is playing politics on the issue of MP safety. This is a man who claimed Brexit was won without a shot fired, two weeks after a remain supporting Labour MP was shot dead by a a Britain First supporter.

He knows full well that there is nothing actionable here for the police to be involved in. It’s a dog whistle to his supporters who he knows won’t give a shit about the facts of the situation. Another example of what a disgraceful, toxic cancer he is on British Life.

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Good post.

In regard’s to me using the EU as a comparison, it was more about creating a wider perspective for discussion - admittedly with a touch of criticism of the Golden EU.
I haven’t interpreted your post as implying that I was trying to justify the UK’s performance but for the benefit of others I genuinely wasn’t.
As you highlighted in your reference to Canada, there are a lot of external factors affecting a Countries budget, and Key to this, issues out of their control - especially short term. As a result Climate Control has been pushed down the pecking order. I suppose, why would you invest in a greener world if some ejit nukes it in the mean time.
Irrelevant of budget, I do think we (UK) are guilty of throwing money at it without a real plan, almost as a matter of justification and that it would be wiser to actually have an idea as to what we are trying to achieve.

Whilst you are entitled to your opinion, i personally feel you are ‘Gordon Brown-ing’ (earlier reference) it over issues that are a waste of your energy.
Farage is toxic, his supporters will lap it up. Etc. they are Politicians, they all play the same game and almost none of them have a spine. Don’t try preaching to yourself :joy:. I say that genuinely and also aware that there is probably a bit of hypocrisy in my post :+1:t2:.

:rofl::rofl:

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Met decline to investigate Polanski over that t-shirt.

Nige not invited to cross-party social care discussion.

Labour overtake them in some polls.

Things going swimmingly for Reform. They’ve even managed to make Kemi look presentable, ffs.

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