Just heard a recent clip of Kennedy speaking and damn his voice has got worse. He will lose votes if he has to debate Trump or Biden. Even Biden mumbling sounds more coherent than him.
Heâs an irrelevant lunatic so who cares? Reminds me of Connor in Succession.
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I still claim he will take a lot of votes. I was thinking along the lines of 15% but now I think at max 10%.
Yet another example that Trumpâs supporters donât necessarily agree with him, they have just invented a version of him in their head that doesnât exist
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If that is true, then how come that the Democrats arenât able to hammer this message through to the voters?
Because Republicans donât watch news channels that Democrats can access.
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Really? Not at all? That is shocking.
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Because a significant portion of the country doesnât actively consume real information about the world, and even many who do have such ingrained tropes about the world that information like âGOP presidential candidate is a fucking disaster for the economy and actively wants to tank it in his second termâ doesnt land and they to the polls thinking âGOP is better for the economyâ
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Democrats speaking about something that happened - âTrump just murdered a nun and pissed on her corpseâ.
The average voter - âDems just want to politicize everything. I mean, both sides are as bad as each other [arent I smart]â
The mainstream media - âThis is such a strategic mistake for the Dems to focus on this. Voters are hurting economically (they arent) and really just want to hear what the parties will do about the kitchen table issues.â
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There are democrats that believe he did ânothingâ wrong, its not a party divide thing, its just skewed along party lines. The reason why ânothingâ is in quotes is that he technically might have done something wrong, however whatever he did or didnât do wrong, does not justify the lengths as to which the various court cases are being pushed. There are MANY people that do know this, however will never admit it because the hatred for Trump is beyond reason.
This means a lot of people (democrats, republicans and independents), believe that the cases are politically motivated in some regards. I can âsomewhatâ liken it to jaywalking, its technically a crime, however would not be taken to the courts.
That certainly aligns with the comments Iâve seen from the general public rather than press, politicians etc. To me that comes from this growing distrust of anything remotely official, an expert, SME, and if course politicians.
They do seem to be Trump supporters though but that certainly does not mean exclusivelyâŚ
Unfortunately the information you get from anyone has been proven to be tainted (sometimes) by unscrupulous individuals/groups. e.g. smoking doesnât cause cancer from scientists employed/funded by the tobacco corporations.
The thing you are responding shows the exact opposite.
The fact there are so many people who have convinced themselves that Trump is being harshly treated out of political motivation (when the reality is he is being treated with kid gloves BECAUSE of the politics) explains the massive leeway Trumpâs venal and criminal behavior gets, but it doesnât make the perspective correct.
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It doesnât show the opposite, it shows that it goes both ways. Some will believe he is innocent because its Trump, some believe he is guilty because its Trump.
The thing you responded to shows it going one way and one way only - something is acknowledged to be bad, but when itâs Trump who did that thing then large numbers of people find a way to excuse it.
You may believe it also happens in the other direction, but through this entire thread you have had the factual basis of such assertions shown to be incorrect time and time again. Weâre now back to making a claim (this case is politically motivated and not justified by his actions) you originally said and ultimately conceded was not a good reading of the various criminal cases about 500 posts ago. Michael Cohen has already been found guilty and jailed for, among other things, the crime Trump is now on trial for.
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Ok, ill tell you where I stand so that there is no confusion on my previous posts.
Trump has (without me counting), over a 100 charges, some already dismissed or been found guilty (on appeal)). Some have some merit, some are there to pad the stats (as it happens in a lot of legal matters).
The questions I ask myself are:
Would Biden be treated the same? My answer is no.
Would some of the cases been dismissed if they were in different states? My answer is yes.
Are the fines in some of the cases extremely excessive? My answer is yes.
Are some of the cases there for political reasons? My answer is Yes
Would some of the cases still be perused if he was not running for president? My answer is Yes.
Would some of the cases exist if he was never president? My answer is No.
None of the above are statements of fact.
For some people some does a lot of the heavy work.
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Havenât the Republicans bent over backwards to nail him with anything they can find?
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I am now in the US and conversations somehow turns to politics especially with elections coming up. And one of them asked me, so from the other side of the worldďź what do I think? I say I think that itâs amusing for me as an outsider, to see people from both ends of the politics thinking their source of information is always true and they have done âextensive researchâ and that the other side are deluded idiots. Truth is to me as an outsider that both sides taking an itâs either-or stance are both deluded.
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Iâd imagine that continually sitting on the fence becomes uncomfortable after a while.
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