War in Iran : Trump's latest misadventure

Are you genuinely expecting any form of intelligence from Hegseth?

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Yeah, that’s what agents of chaos do. Different cultures would call them demons, djinns, asuras, yokais or whatever. I for one would call them (weak, avid humans taken over by these beings) the spearheads of ignorance, irrationalism and obscurantism.

Carl Sagan’s take on that (it’s not an optimistic one, I should add… the quote is from 1995, taken from his book The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark) :

“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”

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I don’t know. I suppose I thought that to become a Fox News anchor-man, you had some knowledge of something other than looking “smart”. And maybe I thought that since he is such a military tough guy, he knew something about military history.

But no, I did not think he was very intelligent as such, nor knowledgable. I mean, I have called him an idiot before for a reason. But you know, idiots can still disappoint…

Plan 9 From Outer Space rolls on

Related.

There seems to be a Turkish cover up going on.
US claims the missile was headed for Incerlik Air Base (the big NATO base in Turkey) and that a US destroyer shot it down with an SM-3.

Imo, looks suspiciously like Turkey is trying to cover this up and claim it was headed towards Cyprus, which explains the necessity of quickly meeting with the Iranian ambassador.

Iraqi powergrid is still off

People are of course very suspicious and theories (both sensible and outlandish) are being peddled.

Hmm…

@Magnus

These guys were on show from a military show on the eastern coast and then got wiped out

I’ll check and sanitize the links tomorrow. Just to be sure on the other shit.

I’m not vouching for that image link btw. Just saying i’ll check and verify tomorrow/

I know.
They participated in the Multinational indian-led naval exercise and were on their way home.

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Even that looks ridiculous, even if the jets are using cannon instead of the missiles. Just think abou it, a fourth-generation combat aircraft to fight a drone that is WW2 level.

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Really does seem to be like the guys waited for the ship and them to be clear of the indian coastline before they did this.

And i’m cynical in this. India will have a way out. etc etc etc

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There will be auto guided A-A missiles, guns etc on those planes.

If those planes are in posiition and they can take a missile out , they will do that

This is not going to make Iraq happy as they will now become legitimate targets for Iranian drones, missiles, and who knows even special operation troops. Also, No one (Iraq, Syria, Turkey) likes the Kurds.

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@Iftikhar , a guided drone is in essence a kamikaze plane.

Nothing really matters.

Shaheeds, particularly Geran-2 drones are not as trash as you think they are. Sometimes you must use a missile. But yes, Ukraine, who is sorely lacking missiles, have adapted:

But it is not WW 2 tech. Shaheed/Geran would be impossible to make only a few years ago. It is Iran’s greatest technological achievement and Russia has perfected it.

Please do not make the mistake of thinking it is “just drones”. They are large and heavy, with countermeasures. They have evaded US GBAD in the Gulf States with a lot of them. US GBAD is not calibrated to shoot them down, so US and allies must use jets.
But sure, cannon-fire and machine gun fire is ideal.

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We were discussing this earlier @Magnus , Guns and related have the best shot against these. This is a different warfare.

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Pakistan launched some 300 drones a day over a period of 3 days across the indian border. None of those drones hit that indian target. Reason - heavily adapted and modified guns.