When the shit hits the fan, and they've got the wrong man, that's Amorim!

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Not really. Konchesky was crap, but he had a long-ish career in the PL. Poulsen was crap, but he was at the tail of a decent first tier career. Most of the players in the side were PL-grade, just not particularly good. Spearing was a particular sign of the desperation of the times, because he never got another sniff of the PL once he left LFC. The rest of his career was spent at about his level, hence my comment fortunately or unfortunately. It must have been incredibly tough on him.

But that sort of points to what Amorim doesn’t appear to have much of on hand. I think the flawed squad that Klopp had to work with initially had much more to offer that what Amorim has. While I think the ManU side today has far more talent than that sorry 2010/11 LFC side, mentally it is nowhere close. That 10/11 side had players who still remembered how close Rafa had come, and who still worked hard (Kuyt was in that side). By the time Rodgers takes over, it isn’t great, but it still has leadership and it has added Suarez. Still probably not overall the same talent level as ManU has now, but much better positioned to produce improvement.

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Thing is, Amorim is infinitely better as a manager than Hodgson and Man United have incomparably more money and a better academy than that iterration of Liverpool. I think that Amorim doesn’t have a solid basis of the team at the moment but he has a lot of useful parts that he needs to connect - he needs to find out how, though I hope he doesn’t.

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I’d agree with that. The conversation was focused on what Klopp dealt with when he started, but I think Rodgers is probably the more relevant comparison. Amorim has far more to work with than Hodgson if he can get the players to buy in. I just think that is going to be extraordinarily difficult there with that particular mix, it is essentially the Rangnick problem.

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Probably doesn’t help that they’ve just had to pay off Ten Haag, and Sporting for their manager changes.

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Honestly, a period of normal financial constraints wouldn’t be a terrible thing for them. It could be exactly the thing they need to break the habit of thinking their solutions could be found with one more expensive player (with questionable motivation and no consideration for fit)

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When Amorim discusses his Man United career in ten years, sitting down with their in-house Sky Sports TV station, surrounded by PL and CL trophies he’d won with them, they’ll ask him what was the turning point for his club and he’ll say: “So, one day I read a forum post from this guy, Limousine Scouse, and I showed it to club’s directors…”

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If Amorim took my advice or listened to me in any way it would be the first time anyone did.

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“…and ten years later, we still can’t believe that no one was listening to this guy ever…”

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I will start to worry the moment he punts Rashford and Ratface.

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For many of their players, ability or ‘quality’ (not sure how to define that term) isn’t the issue at United. You can see that when they get on one of those winning runs- let’s not forget they’ve been runners up a couple of times in the last decade and that doesn’t happen by accident.

It’s whether the quality they being in is the right fit, but more importantly whether those players have the right attitude. United seem to attract bellends and their mask slips when things aren’t going their way in terms of results. Then the cancer takes hold until the manager is given the boot.

They need to ship on plenty of dick heads and unfortunately for them, most clubs are smarter than United and will steer clear of dick heads; especially dick heads on extraordinary wages.

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The irony of United fans turning on Rangnick when he was only an interim option who was allowed none of his staff.

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Winning commences at the top, then trickles down. INEOS and the Glazers are not going to get them to the dizzy heights of the PL… They are just too disconnected from the fanbase
Here is their latest stroke…

Manchester United raise ticket costs for Members in shameful act against fans

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Manchester United raise ticket costs for Members in shameful act against fans

Manchester United decided to raise match tickets for Members to ÂŁ66 per game for the remainder of the season, without consulting any of the recognised fan groups.

On Tuesday night, the club informed the Fans Forum of changes to certain ticket policies that will take effect immediately. In other words, a decision was made behind the fans’ backs on a fans-related matter.

It’s a further sign that INEOS is not going to prioritise loyal match-going fans, which in turn has me fearing a new stadium because their preferred audience will likely be commercial.

Manchester United continue to fleece loyal fans

The latest changes to the ticket policies mean that all Members’ tickets for the remainder of this season will increase to £66 each.

To make matters worse, that price will apply for kids and over-65s as well as adults, which is disgraceful. It will cost an adult member ÂŁ132 to take their kid to a game in the remainder of the season.

Manchester United explain that 97% of this season’s tickets are already sold, so this will only affect a small number of people, but that doesn’t justify it.

It’s a concern that, along with the scrapping of ticket collections on Euro aways, United are happy to make detrimental changes without consulting the fans.

The club is essentially saying that the struggles on the pitch is the fault of the fans, so we have to pay more to watch it.

I genuinely feel that United are missing a trick in the market by not doing something to help encourage the youth to football matches. It would not only help build the atmosphere but ensure that the next generation doesn’t go to the Etihad or elsewhere!

If the club truly cared about the younger demographic then they wouldn’t be charging them £66 to watch the current side.

INEOS are also responsible for over 200 redundancies at Manchester United.

Why punish the life and soul of the football club during a cost crisis when fans have done everything they’ve been asked? They get behind the team, win, lose or draw across the UK and continent. There was also a rise in season ticket prices.

We can expect the FAB, FF and Manchester United Supporters’ Trust to demand answers at the least but there should be some sort of protest to let them know we won’t have the wool pulled over our eyes.

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How much is this an increase of? They say socialists run out of other people’s money.

It’s because tax dodgers like Radcliffe hoard it.

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Not sure what the increase is MH, what caught my eye was the fact they rode roughshod over the several fanbase organisations without any pre-discussions - to me, this is what will be more damaging to them in the long term

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Oh no doubt, I was just intrigued no doubt they will go up again in the summer as Jimmy boy needs a new yacht.

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I assume the club did otherwise it’s just a bit of an odd statement.

Yeah can you go and scout 3 players I managed for 3 years.

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Often a true word said in jest.

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In fairness, when Houllier came in we went french. When Benitez came in we went Spanish. Fat Sam always brought in his mates etc etc. New managers want players they know and trust. Particularly ones who will be generals on the pitch or are shining potential.