When the shit hits the fan, and they've got the wrong man, that's Amorim!

Absolutely

Also, the money.

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The money could be it…but isn’t Mr Handwash cutting all expenditure…so could other players be going…but if the manager in situe thinks they’re crap there’s not much confidence there…so why would anyone go to this Manky club…

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In a typical 3-4-3, you have wingbacks that play higher up. Typically, those are speedier, quicker guys without as much defensive responsibility as fullbacks but more than wingers. They don’t really have that on either side. Dalot maybe, Massouri is more of a traditional fullback and there’s nobody on the left side.

The midfield two typically sit further back, though one will usually be more of a box to box midfielder. I think Mainoo and Ugarte can play this. Likewise, I think their CBs are fine in a three, if not being the most talented crew. Those areas are fine.

Up top, the forwards play more of an inverted role. Amad is good, Garnacho is good but he’s on his way out, and Rashford would be too but he’s also gone. Sancho can fit that role. The number nine could be either an out and out striker or a false nine. Both Hojlund and Zirkzee are more up top strikers, though Zirkzee could come back into the Firmino roll. His problem is he’s just not good enough. On raw talent, I rate Hojlund. I thought he would have been great with us. His problem is that he’s starving. There is very little creative talent to create chances for him.

Which brings us to Fernandez. He’s a slimy little weasel, but he’s also their most creative player. He also works harder than most think. He’s best utilized as a 10 sitting behind the striker. But Amorim’s system has him more as an inverted forward coming out of the half spaces. He should really be sitting more in central areas. ETH had him playing as a winger at times, and I don’t think Amorim’s system is the best use of his talent.

Which brings us back to Amorim’s system. OTOH, you have to admire someone who sticks to his principles and attempts to impose a discipline and style of play. OTOH, imposing a rigid ideology may take longer than the time he has to turn things around.

When Klopp came, his style of play wasn’t a formation. It was an ethos of working hard, running all day and gegenpressing. He modified his tactics and philosophy over time, recognizing that the PL was a different league, and his players may have different strengths and weaknesses to exploit. Similarly, when Slott was appointed, he played down formations when we have the ball but said he is pretty dogmatic when defending. You can see that during the matches. His tactical tweaks at halftime usually make us better. Finally, the most successful manager over the past decade has been Pep, and his side today look night and day compared to his sides in his first few years in the PL. He has gone from super exciting to super boring in nine years.

I have no faith that INEOS can get things done. A ManU manager saying they are in a relegation fight and it’s the worst team ever is damn funny if you ask me.

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I can understand why a kid making Ā£5k a week being offered Ā£50k a week would jump at the chance. That’s literally life changing money. Even if you’re a bust, you can set yourself and your family up for life if you’re there for a few years.

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United fan with dementia has had his season ticket cancelled and resold. Sad to read.

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Peak INEOS right there

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You guys are only partially correct about the big money being the lure for managers to Man United, but it’s not just that. Good managers will always back themselves, and if they feel that they could be the one to turn Man United around and get them back to the top, they know they’d be revered as an all-time great.

Klopp was able to do that at Liverpool despite many failing before him. United will always attract decent manager because of that.

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Klopp rejected United because he saw what it actually was.

United will attract the flavours. But they don’t have the structure.

Liverpool even before hiring Klopp had the structure with Edwards and Co which made Klopp’s decision easier.

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You love to see their struggles (the old fella’s ticket needs sorting out, don’t wish that sort of stuff on anyone).

But the struggles throughout the club - ownership, suits, recruitment, players, system, value for money… and a coach who is happy to throw everyone under the bus?

This last part seems stupid, unless he is hoping to be sacked and get out of there with a nice payoff. Apart from that, I don’t understand his angle. It is self-defeating.

Clearly they aren’t going to buy a new squad in one fell swoop. He is going to have to work with what he’s got and change it as he goes, same as everyone.

Looking at them for over ten years since Ferguson, I would make a case that Moyes might have been the best one they’ve had, but expectations were still so high when he was there, so they booted him out quickly.

And stumbled from bad to worse since…

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I genuinely have bigger concerns at the moment but I was merely pointing out that this might signal a change in their thinking - which could be concerning given that I think that this hierarchy will persevere with Amorim and give him all the help that he can get. I don’t know much about Dorgu, only what I’ve read about him.

Also, no disrespect meant but if a player like Kerkez would rather join Man United than Liverpool (or Arsenal or Man City) at this moment, then that player probably wasn’t the right fit for Liverpool. I don’t think that Man United were a rival for his signature (I also think he’s incorrectly labeled as a Man United fan, which might have led to those links).

All players are money and trophy fans.

Everyone thinks this about Dortmund. The CL run helped comfort those when in reality they’ve been shit for some years not shit shit but this just very average shit.

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As for Man Utd learning they’ve appointed a manager who has thrown the whole team under a bus.

That 18 year old defender wasn’t a bad signing. Not every signing they make is bad but until they always combine the decent moves with several horseshite ones.

Very Blackadder, KILL EVErYBODY!!!

Funny as though :slight_smile:

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Yeah …I suppose…take your money, make your money…n then drop ashit bomb and leave…

https://x.com/paddypower/status/1881310717560647959?s=46&t=o3XUPKxiqJH7KZYdWMCtqg

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https://x.com/DeadlineDayLive/status/1881666115228909654

Edit

There is a poll in the comments "Who do you reckon cried?":neutral_face:

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Is ā€œAmorimā€ a valid answer?

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In my mind their issues are related purely to attitide. They have at least 5 players on the pitch at any one time that cant be asked. They don’t run, there’s no pressure on the ball and they let runners go.

Its as if the ego of Fernandes has permeated right through the squad.