When the shit hits the fan, and they've got the wrong man, that's Amorim!

And I can’t see them making the CL.

In fact they might not even have Europe. First time since the post Moyes season.

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Probably should go too early on these things, but I don’t think they are going to get in the Champions League either.

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The standard of the Europa w.r.t the teams in it has taken a beating with the increased teams and the fact that teams don’t drop down from the UCL anymore.

It’s not as if United will win the Europa. But they are among the teams who’ve spent big money. Most English clubs will have that advantage.

They have spent really badly but at what time does the amount that they’ve spent play a part in them going to the semis atleast.

I think they can make at least the semi final, and act as Amorin having a successful first season. The players they have should be a match for anyone in the competition, even if they haven’t a clue about the system they are alleged to be using.

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Assume you’re being sarcastic. They’re closer to relegation zone than the top 4

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Exactly. The semis and onwards. They have the jammy luck with them to win the whole thing.

Look at last year’s quarters , semis in the FA cup.

Yeah I was marking out the Europa league as their path.

They won’t get it in the league.

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I’m not popping the Champagne of horrible year cork just yet until they are out of Europa.

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Some reports today that Utd held their fire this winter in preparation for the summer when they get even more wages off their books and the players they really want will be available.

  • One of those is one of Amorim’s old players from Sporting.
  • He has a release clause of e100m, but they think they can get him for closer to 60m though.
  • He is 17 years old

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Like with Garnacho…. Because I can only see his value increase the more he plays for them….

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The more I see and hear from him he sounds like Villas-Boas. All hype and chat.

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Nah, the arc is completely different. AVB started reasonably strongly, lots of hype, had a wobble in November in his first season, and had them in the hunt for the Top 4 to the end. Great excitement at WHL for the next season, title talk in the air, and the hype was in overdrive. They were in 2nd for a few weeks in September-October! Only then did the wheels fall off.

Amorim is a little more basic. He has taken a mediocre team and delivered a downgrade in results. There is very little evidence that he is able to be an effective manager at the level of the PL.

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Also Garnacho didn’t move to Napoli because his financial demands weren’t obliged.

He probably decent within a very defined system, which - given Utd have very little scope financially to create that system for him - makes the appointment absolutely bonkers.

There is a reason we (and others) swerved him, and I suspect a deeper dive than Utd could be arsed to do, would reveal that for any team not already built to his spec would require massive work to give him the best chance.

West Ham swerved Amorim and appointed that Spanish Fraud.

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Horses (or horse faces) for courses. I cannot help but think Van Nistelroy would have got better results with them but is absolute poo at Leicester.

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Leicester is a championship team now. Blame that on Rodgers. The guy wrecked a team (which was pretty good on paper). The team that Rodgers had didn’t have any business getting stuck in a relegation battle.

I have no doubt that he knows the game. He might even one day be a good manager, or better. But there is a certain kind of ego that is attracted to management that seems incapable of understanding how much of their success is owed to structures around them, and therefore simply don’t look for the equivalent when they move to bigger opportunities. We saw it first-hand with Rodgers, it was Ten Haag’s undoing, and it is clearly a huge part of Amorim’s failure.

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Add Ange there as well to the list of guys who are fixated on a system.

Klopp proved that he could adapt. Slot now proves that he can adapt.

Except slot , Iraola and Thomas Frank… None of the other managers have really proven they are capable of adapting.

Disregarding Pep who’s probably having one really bad season after a long time.

Emery too as well. Add him in the list of managers who can and do adapt. But none of the newer flavours of the season.

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It didnt have any business having a CL push either. That is the ultimate complexity of Rodgers - elevated a midtable team to a level they shouldnt have reached and then had absolutely no idea how to respond once things got difficult, and almost certainly made things worse than they should have been.

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