Who would you buy?

[Mascot]

@vjcpatriot

It feels like Trent, Virgil, and Mo are goners. FSG does not want to pay out new contracts to them.

I fully expect ownership to rest on laurels and say, we just won the League and you want us to buy new players?

Another summer of no incomings. Slot had a fantastic first season with Liverpool but sadly our ownership will let him down. He’s a great manager obviously but he can’t win without the players to back him on the pitch.

Our only hope is we get a King’s Ransom for Darwin Nunez and our other outgoings. This will help fund some replacements. LFC is now a sell to buy club.

You’ve just watched your team dismantle Newcastle to go thirteen points clear, and that’s the post you decided to make?

Where is the post in the match thread commenting on the game or celebrating the win?

It’s a fucking ridiculous post.

Firstly, why does it look like all three are gone? It looks to me like Virgil and Mo will stay, but we just don’t know yet.

Why are you predicting another summer with no incomings? Based on what?

Everything in this post is just doom mongering based on no evidence that you’ve simply talked talked yourself into.

Liverpool spend to the capacity they can, which is more than the vast majority of clubs. We can’t make a loss and we don’t. The owners are not allowed to pump money in, even if they wanted to.

Here is the thing that always escapes fans like you - the ‘just fucking sign players’ lot - at the level we operate at it becomes very difficult to improve on what you have. Look at how many players United buy, or Chelsea, and ask yourself are they improving? Is that spending helping them close the gap?

Liverpool rightly keep their powder dry waiting for the right signing, and that is clearly the right thing to do. Who else has won a title in the last few year outside clubs who are systematically cheating?

It’s absolutely fucking wild that your take on this season after losing a generational manager and replacing him seemlessly, and possibly even improving us, is that everything is lost and the future is bleak.

Title challenges are wasted on fans like you.

[Sithbare]

@John Henry

Where’s the money for defending FSG?

Such skint misers FSG are.

#FSGout

[redfanman]

[quote=“vjcpatriot, post:9222, topic:114, full:true”]
It’s an excellent season. Liverpool have increased their lead to 13 points with the latest win. We’ve put City and Newcastle in their place back to back. No complaints about our current season. /quote]

Perhaps that has something to do with having the best squad in the country, perhaps Europe with many of those players signed for club record fees or near to it, and much of the growing revenues earned by the club funnelled into higher wages to retain those players?

[quote=“vjcpatriot, post:9222, topic:114, full:true”]
The worry is the future. 3 stars who form the core of the team look to be leaving and Liverpool have always been reluctant to open their pocketbooks. Notably ZERO incomings this past summer and winter window. [/quote]

2 of whom were signed for club record fees and will be 33 and 34 this summer. Also, zero incomings is false, we signed Chiesa last summer and were very close to getting Zubimendi.

Worth remembering that the club’s business was interrupted because of a change in coaching and recruitment staff. We also had a very good squad so there was no need to rush into the market to buy players and having question marks about the future of 3 key players influences that decision. That money saved will help fund business this year, whether it is the 3 new contracts this summer and any new signings.

[quote=“vjcpatriot, post:9222, topic:114, full:true”]
We’ve got stingy owners so we have to be realistic about the future. If we lose 3 star players and get no incomings, I know Slot is a great manager, but I doubt even he can work miracles with that kind of handicap. [/quote]

There is no handlicap. Slot has the best squad in terms of ability and depth. FSG have shown that they will pay big fees for key players and in most years the club has spent more than it has earned from transfer fees, even coming close to falling foul of the FPP limits a few years ago.

Worth remembering when Utd are sacking tea ladies and crying poverty that they have net spending of more than a £1bn on players over the last decade and left their club in ruins. Being profligate with money is much worse than being careful with it.

[quote=“vjcpatriot, post:9222, topic:114, full:true”]
We must sell as much deadweight as possible to fund the replacements, that starts with Darwin Nunez. [/quote]

We have very little deadweight in this squad.

[quote=“vjcpatriot, post:9222, topic:114, full:true”]
Let’s not conflate having genuine concerns of what’s going to happen after this season with the great success we are enjoying now. Those are two separate things. [/quote]

Your view of what happens with this club and the actual reality appear to be two separate things too

@vjcpatriot

It’s just when you objectively observe FSG they have shown a notable reluctance to spend. If we hadn’t lost both Fabinho AND Henderson in the same window, we might still be talking about needing that midfield rebuilt.

You probably would have. For most of us, no because even without losing them both we had still made significant signings to replace that midfield, and any remaining change would most likely have happened last summer if there was an obvious need for it.

[Mascot]

The FSG Out position is increasingly an argument with reality.

Which owners in football would you rather have?

If your position is that you want Liverpool to spend more money, to what end? We already have possibly the best squad in Europe, and are going to win the league. If you still think we should be spending more money, how? Do you advocate cheating? Doing what City have done?

[ZinedineBiscan]

@Mascot

The FSG Out position is increasingly an argument with reality.

Which owners in football would you rather have?

If your position is that you want Liverpool to spend more money, to what end? We already have possibly the best squad in Europe, and are going to win the league. If you still think we should be spending more money, how? Do you advocate cheating? Doing what City have done?

I think FSG should sell some of their stake to some local billionaire, preferably one who says he’s a fan of the club. Someone who can come in and take on the day-to-day of fixing the issues they’ve overlooked and investing their own considerable wealth.

I think we can all agree that would be a pretty risk-free thing to do. Can’t see how it would all go tits up, personally.

[Noo_Noo]

@Mascot

Which owners in football would you rather have?

Well United fans are still backing Ratcliffe and Amorim…

[Mascot]

@ZinedineBiscan

I think FSG should sell some of their stake to some local billionaire, preferably one who says he’s a fan of the club. Someone who can come in and take on the day-to-day of fixing the issues they’ve overlooked and investing their own considerable wealth.

I think we can all agree that would be a pretty risk-free thing to do. Can’t see how it would all go tits up, personally.

Personally, I think FSG have really shown their NEGLIGENCE by not going into the game editor that I presume football has, and changing all our players attributes to 20, setting their injury proneness to 1 and giving us infinite cash.

[Mascot]

@Noo_Noo

Well United fans are still backing Ratcliffe and Amorim…

League titles are all good and well, but we’ll never win the transfer window with these clowns.

[Sithbare]

FSG are a professional organization who’ve got huge experience in sports management.

We’ve seen Boehly come in without any strategy whatsoever and make scatterbrain signings basically asking for FFP regulations to be imposed against them. All the while no closer to building a stadium.

We’ve seen Kroenke’s splash 750m under Arteta and what they’ve got to show is one FA cup (Which was won by an Arsenal team under Aubamenyang. 750m being spent and not one further title since that spend. What that then does is that Arsenal will be coming under the FFP regulations soon. They can’t spend without selling for much longer.

We’ve seen the so called genius in Daniel Levy be catastrophic for Spurs.

People have mentioned Ratcliffe and United fucking up.

Teams like Aston Villa , Brighton have seemingly done an admirable job of player transfers but Brighton is a sell to buy or a buy to sell club. Villa will need to sell to buy too. Their sale of Duran points to that. And the jury’s still out on whether they’ll come afoul off PSR/FFP iff they don’t get UCL.

Man City has well , the 130 charges hanging over them. Pep looking like someone who’s been tired this season. Could be due to the 130 charges or can be due to his personal life. But it almost seems like he doesn’t have the energy to continue beyond this contract.

Who else. Bournemouth , they run a tight ship and make some good transfers and have a cracking manager.

Nottingham - They’ve spent money , got in trouble with FFP not so long back and there’s doubts on their owner. Also bigger clubs will keep calling for some of their better players.

Newcastle - They could spend. They’ve got the ability. Get the feeling that they are seeing which way the FFP case against City goes before they decide whether it’s worth going all in. At this point, They don’t need to win anything with Newcastle to keep their sportwashing enterprise running. They are much smarter than UAE in this regard. Wins don’t matter when they can get entrenched in Newcastle and just keep the club competitive and probably help to generate money for the city of Newcastle in the meantime.

[gasband]

I think some fans still don’t understand, it’s not about having rich owners but having responsible owners. It’s not having someone who can come in and bankroll spending after spending for no absolute necessity. It’s about having owners who want the club to survive and yet put together a team on and off the field capable of winning every season in and out. We have done that and while no owners are perfect, it is to FSG credit as much as to Klopp, now Slot and the squad and the management team that we achieved what we have and no reason with a good coach, that we cannot replicate our success again and again

[Noo_Noo]

Transfer window fans.

Me “who should we buy?”

Transfer window fans

I’ve been twitching to use that gif.

[Nikola]

@redfanman

We have very little deadweight in this squad.

Yeah, that’s the thing that goes unnoticed these days. I’m a bit saddened that Chiesa will likely be a failure of transfer, that he will have spent a year or maybe two at Liverpool to basically get his fitness right before returning to Italy on loan or cut-price deal.

The rest of the lads, who are not of required quality but still work hard and contribute to this team, should actually be the subjects of interest of other clubs, so hopefully Hughes can raise a fair bit of cash by selling them.

[Sithbare]

@Nikola

I’m a bit saddened that Chiesa will likely be a failure of transfer, that he will have spent a year or maybe two at Liverpool to basically get his fitness right before returning to Italy on loan or cut-price deal.

I have more confidence in Chiesa kicking on at Liverpool now. Especially after your post.

Seriously though , Chiesa just needs time. When he’s ready to play back to back matches, that’s when we’ll see him at his best.

At this point , he might just be an impact sub but release him against a tiring team , him with his pace will get the opposition in trouble.

[Sithbare]

I hope that FSG be a bit more adventurous with their transfers. But they’ve got us competing and being the best legitimate team in the world. Not counting the likes of City and their illegal 130.

[redalways]

@Nikola

Yeah, that’s the thing that goes unnoticed these days. I’m a bit saddened that Chiesa will likely be a failure of transfer, that he will have spent a year or maybe two at Liverpool to basically get his fitness right before returning to Italy on loan or cut-price deal.

And with that, @Nikola has just all but assured Chiesa’s success. All hail @Nikola!

[redfanman]

@Nikola

. I’m a bit saddened that Chiesa will likely be a failure of transfer,

If the league gets wrapped up quickly, perhaps we will see more of Chiesa as we keep players fresh for the CL?

Although perhaps not as we are keen to give Mo every chance to break every record he can this season!

[Zoran]

We’ll see if Chiesa is here next season, there is also the player side and his motivations.

Right now we obviously don’t evaluate him being in a state to compete for a lot of minutes and he might think that he’s lacked chances to build up his fitness.

I mean when we talk about our forwards, right now it seems that out of 6, only Gakpo is 100%.

But it cannot possibly be that way, because there is absolutely zero chance we sign 4-5 new forwards this summer.

We will certainly not want to have a summer where the following happens: Salah leaves on a free, we sell Nunez because he ain’t good enough, Diaz because of his age/contract/interest from Barca, Jota because he ain’t available enough, Chiesa because he’s having almost a non-existing season.

Every move that potentially happens has to be evaluated in the context of other movement as well. We cannot be so blind and just shout “let’s get rid of Jota”. Who will bloody stay?

If we want to have similar or better seasons, we need to have 5-6 serious forward options.

[Nikola]

@Sithbare

Seriously though , Chiesa just needs time. When he’s ready to play back to back matches, that’s when we’ll see him at his best.

At this point , he might just be an impact sub but release him against a tiring team , him with his pace will get the opposition in trouble.

I don’t see Slot giving him many minutes lately, no? I’m afraid it’s indicative of his lack of trust in Chiesa. I hope Chiesa turns his Liverpool career around, of course, especially because he looks stoked to be there but I don’t see even the tiniest signs of encouragement in that regard.

[redfanman]

@Nikola

I’m afraid it’s indicative of his lack of trust in Chiesa

Watching a four four two video yesterday about our win against City, it did strike me as to whether Chiesa’s absence is not just his fitness but also because he is still getting up to speed on his co-ordination with other players. It was really impressive to see how they work together to control games.

[Sweeting]

Red Sox fans have this complaint about FSG being stingy. Of course before they took over the Red Sox had not won a World Series in 100 years and since they took over they’ve won 4 titles, the most of any team in the 2000s.

Kind of a similar story for us. They’re on the verge of overseeing the second PL title win in 5 years, against sports washing cheats.

FSG aren’t sat there saying what we can spend on transfers. I think that’s a big misconception our fans have. They’re just ownership. They hire people to run their companies for them and those people will report to FSG with financial and performance based metrics. What FSG do very well is hire the best people, they’re very smart at getting those appointments right.

They essentially just want to told in a monthly meeting with our upper management that the line goes up. It’s up to people like Hughes to get contracts and signings sorted, no one at FSG will even have an input in that process.