Arne Slot - Head Coach (Part 2)

Melissa Reddy is the best journalist that regularly covers Liverpool. Bar none.

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Exactly.

You’re all fucking wrong imo.

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We’ll see if FSG come out again and give Slot another ā€œvote of confidenceā€ through their preferred media sources in light of the renewed criticism.

If they don’t, I think that’ll tell us all we need to know.

She lost me on the Salah references…

She’s a very serious journo, but she no longer has an inside track and thus does not have the information the likes of Hughes has.

I’m happy to wait for them and confident they will make the right decision, one way or the other…I think the suggestion that they’re necessarily wedded to a certain point of view is mistaken…

Ironically that Chiesa goal might be worth a lot.

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You should read the Paul Tomkins article, it’s right up your street.

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He came through a horse’s opening? :grimacing:

I already did. As you can tell, I like considered and thoughtful perspectives :grin:

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i think chelsea is trying to push through the Alonso deal quickly just in case we fire slot, because they would not stand a chance against us if alonso had to make a choice between us and them

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It’s not aimed at you, it is just peoples thoughts and the reasons that we feel it is not of importance.

With a petition, for me, the legitimacy comes from who starts it and whether there is a need.

At this moment no one knows what FSG’s intentions are and we won’t know until the end of the season.

If at the end of the season they retain him as coach, then I feel it will be the wrong decision and I will hope he can get us back on track, but it is more hope than belief.

Maybe a petition would be an option if their decision is to continue with Arne, but it has to come from a reputable source/person and would need legitimacy before I would consider signing.

Even then I don’t think I would, as I still have respect for Arne, as a person, unsure as a coach whether that still applies ATM.

I get a lot of Paul’s points. But even though we had iffy matches early on under Klopp I had a sense of improving, evolving, growing. I don’t ever recall a single Klopp match where the team was almost ā€œdisjointed by designā€ (that’s the best I can put it).
I also get Paul’s point about lowering the ā€œleft by mutual consentā€ bar. But that’s neither here nor there in the sense that when the product is SO poor on the pitch and you can sense the team ebbing away (something I never felt during Klopp’s tenure…yes we had bad performances, but we bounced back. We had bad seasons due to injuries to irreplaceable players but we fought through it. We had heartbreaking losses but we went again)…
then what are we supposed to do? Keep Slot on just for principle’s sake? And Paul keeps banging on about players improving with age and exposure to the league which I fully agree with. But he doesn’t mention much about what we are seeing tactics wise on the pitch this season. Or the fact that the same players look excellent for their national teams, yet the week after are back to the same old drudgery in red. Or the fact that we are visibly unfit as a team (which is also proven by running stats).

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Does it say ā€œwe’re greatā€? In 27,000 words?

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It says ā€œthe fans are wrongā€ in 26,572 words

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Is he saying there is evidence we not shit? It’s surely not possible to do a deep dive and come to the conclusion that we are not shit.

I don’t think I am going to agree with much of this article.
It probably also has spelling and grammar errors.

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@Livvy

Thanks for posting some excellent points from Melissa.

I did like this bit and also why I hate personal attacks.

ā€œWhile that is different to being the right one for what the club needs moving forward, the vitriol against him is totally unwarranted. Slot is trying, but before the switch to Merseyside, he had never lost two league games in a row, so there is no familiarity steering out of turbulenceā€

By all means question his tactics and whether he is a good enough coach, but I wish people would leave out personal attacks, as it won’t be for the want of trying on Arnes part.

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Is that you, Ray Hudson?

https://x.com/i/status/2053895416228257902

If we want him, we have to go get him. Sounds like Alonso is waiting on us.

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Under Jurgen we all could see the plan and direction, but at times the players were missing either through injury or recruitment, but there still was a plan.

Under Arne, I jus cannot see a direction or a plan in any facet of the game, it is as simple as that.

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It’s a rant really; He goes off against the fanbase for being fickle, naive and yes prejudiced against Dutch managers…

He offers no insight into what’s happening on the pitch. He lists the following as causes for the season going down the toilet:

  • most times a bad season follows a good one;
  • Jota’s tragedy has had a profound effect (which no one can dispute);
  • it will take time for everything to come together;
  • we’ve been unlucky and
  • the refs have shafted us time and again.

He makes the bizarre and arbitrary argument that Klopp has had worse seasons that this one, which is missing the point of the fans’ discontent. And throughout it all he manages to come up with entire paragraphs about FSG, Edwards, Hughes, the club’s Elo ratings, the expectations that we should have, PSG and Luis Enrique and other stuff that I am forgetting.

It’s a word diarrhea in essence; Thousands of words through which he comes off just as biased and unhinged as the fans he says are going to get Slot fired. The title may be ā€œBacking Slot, Hughes, Edwards & FSG With EVIDENCE, Not Emotionsā€ but he offers precious little of the former and plenty of the latter.

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He makes some good points as usual, even if as always it needs a good editor.

He is right that the team has had absolutely fuck loads of adversity to battle through. However the point he is missing it’s that it’s the managers job to find a way through that. All teams face adversity and it’s very rare that everything is always perfect.

I genuinely think that being in fourth place (which Tompkins marks as a decent return on a troubled season) is not the issue. If the fans could see the players and the coach battling and fighting their way into the champions league spots I think everyone would accept that.

The issue is that this team could be challenging for the title if it didn’t have a habit of just snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Arsenal are twenty points ahead of us, and I’d have no problem pointing to twenty points we’ve dropped that a serious football team, or a fit football team, or just a football team with a fucking plan, doesn’t drop.

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