Arne Slot - Head Coach

I’m pretty sure nobody is blocking Bradley having enough freedom. It’s also him who needs to find a bit more stability in his individual performance and I mean in both directions.

So far he has earned himself a few years here and the trust in his potential to be more than a good backup to Trent, as he was for a short while.

Now, he has to prove he can stay fit for longer periods and also play with quality and consistently.

It’s a totally different task now as you have to prove you can be Liverpool’s first choice RB for 40-50 games or so.

Him, Frimpong or someone else. It’s nothing new.

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It’s not always the same with these things.

It seems there is a fair amount of consensus over the diamond formation, as the way to get our attacking talent on the pitch, while also giving us a bit more solidity than we’ve been showing.

The point is well made that having a suitable formation for the players at your disposal is only part of it. Obviously there is much more to it than that, but to my mind, it gives us a good start to build on.

After that we have to do all the work - run, pass well, press, form good understandings and partnerships all over the pitch, take personal responsibility to win duels - including headers from long throws, take our chances, defend well, etc.

I’m backing Slot to turn this around. He will be helped in that when the new talent starts to find its groove. Apart from Ekitike, they have all been short of expectations so far, for various reasons.

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Only way the diamond works for me is if Grav slots in as a 3rd centre back in build up, to allow our full backs to get forward.

Otherwise we are open up to quick counters both through the middle and in behind our fullbacks.

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100% agree. Been saying as much for a while now, including post 2372 above.

Stamina is a main attribute of the fullbacks we have. Let them get up and down the flank and offer width to the diamond. If it breaks down and they are caught on the wrong side of the ball, Grav slots in as a third CB, and two midfielders are also in front of that defensive three. It should be a lot more solid than what we’ve been seeing. I think it’s the key to better balance.

Then play Wirtz as a 10 behind two strikers. Keep going with that until they all get on the same wavelength, and I feel we won’t look back.

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Thought this was Apt

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Have our defensive issues been exacerbated since Grav was allowed more freedom?

He has openly said that he is allowed more freedom to get forward this season.

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I think so. Grav roaming a bit more hasn’t helped defensively, but it’s more than that.

The whole thing looks out of balance to me and we are not winning as many duels as we should. For some years now I have grown accustomed to us winning headers when a corner or long throw comes in, but this season I’m nervous to look at it.

Related to that I’m not sure how switched on we are, as we have conceded the first goal a number of times and it grates.

Positionally it doesn’t look quite right either, for example, I don’t like the gap or current level of understanding between Virg and Kerkez.

Little partnerships need to form all over the pitch to help with the whole.

The gap between Virg and Kerkez is more to do with Kerkez engaging their wide forward more, whereas Robbo drops deeper as he doesn’t trust himself 1 v 1.

I know I keep going on about the Chelsea game but watch how much more joy Chelsea had down our right when Robbo came on as Estevao had more space to operate in and was getting in our area way too often and also had space to get his head up and put at least one dangerous cross in.

I actually prefer the way Kerkez engages the oppositions wide forward and apart from the Man U goal, I can’t recollect that being a big issue and that was more down to Virg being too slow to recover. Regarding the understanding, Virg is the senior pro and needs to talk more, but it isn’t just Kerkez’s faulty Virg’s needs to improve his own positioning and it isn’t helped when you have Gakpo there and not Diaz.

In the last game Virg actually had a go at Kerkez, when Virg played a poor pass and people pick up on that, when actually Kerkez wasn’t at fault. Also from my observations Virg seems more concerned with his positioning when we have the ball.

The problem isn’t just winning the 1st header it is being on our toes to react to the 2nd ball or the 2nd cross coming back in

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I just refuse to believe that we bought Kerkez and Frimpong without the impression that they’d be making plenty of overlapping and underlapping runs. If you want fullbacks who will effectively operate as a third center back, there are plenty of other options out there. Guys who are bigger and stronger but far less adept on the attack.

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It might be a coincidence but Slot seems to like his attackers tall and lanky, buying Hugo and Isak and playing Cody. They need not be electric but decent pace. I think if Salah was not around, he would play these 3 together. Totally different dynamics but I think Slot should get to show what he can do in a season where he gets the players to implement his ideas.

Stevie G was a great right back when he played there

I like the idea of the 4-3-1-2.

My question is, how will this shape work when we are defending? It doesn’t seem naturally conducive to a pressing system.

Will Flo push up and form a block of three and press with Hugo and Alex?

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Why not? In a 4-3-3 the forwards dont defend like a flat line of 3 anyway so what additional challenge does this pose? It is true Klopp spoke about the challenges of pressing in a formation that uses the #10 but what he was really talking about there was having a 10 in place of the third midfielder (risks having too many players the wrong side of the ball when you lose it), so no applicable to this sort of shape.

This is the actually the formation we played the first time I ever played on a legit high pressing side (in the 90s…this stuff didnt start with Klopp)

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It depends very much on the type of players you have in those positions. Not every diamond is the same.

In the pressing phase, it would be less of a problem than when you have to drop deeper (mostly to defend in a flatter 4-4-2, or some sort of a 4-3-3). Even if it is a difference whether the tip of the diamond is a Wirtz (current version of Wirtz) type of player or a Firmino type of player. There could be more differences.

Different versions of a diamond structure (not very often in football anyway) had different players dropping; Zidane for example could drop deeper from the single #10 role alongside the single #6. But that was also at a time when teams weren’t as compact and the game was more individualistic. The Real sides he took part in aren’t the best example tactical/balance wise. Plus, it’s bloody Zidane. In Milan’s diamond, obviously Kaka (a totally different player to the ones mentioned so far) wouldn’t drop alongside Pirlo, so that’s a big difference. Already by Athens, they were back to a more compact 4-4-2 (Gattuso and Seedorf narrowly on the sides, Kaka as a second striker). A bit like the Atletico 4-4-2’s with proper midfielders on narrow sides and a difference maker in Griezmann between the lines.

One of the two strikers (mostly the one who is more mobile) could drop to one of the sides to defend, pushing one of the #8’s more alongside the #6 to create a double-pivot shape.

I wouldn’t really see Wirtz (especially current Wirtz) dropping from the single #10 role close to our #6. So you would probably have to “hide” (like we already try to cheat the game with the way we use Salah) him narrowly from one of the sides.

Mourinho attempted a diamond shape near the end of his first era at Chelsea, that’s the time when he tried to bring the best out of a deep controller (Makelele or Mikel), a physical box-to-box beast (Essien), a goalscoring #8 in Lampard and Ballack at #10. It wasn’t great and it didn’t last long.

In our 13/14 season, during the season (and obviously Suarez and Sturridge forcing us to find a way to have them together up top, even if we had the odd game when one of them defended the side more, like I said above), we evolved into a diamond shape. Also didn’t last long.

What Klopp was talking about in the #10 role is that in his football, the single #10 role is defensively the hardest one. When he came, he immediately pushed Coutinho to the left half space and in the #10 role we initially had Lallana, but then is slowly became Bobby’s position (which then morphed into our 4-3-3 with a false #9, not too dissimilar to a diamond shape, but still different).

It’s connected to his phrase that good counter-pressing overall beats a single #10 playmaker.

The diamond shape is rare enough in the game and what I found from my memory is that even when it worked, it didn’t last very long.

For me, changing to a diamond with so many players who didn’t have a good pre-season, when the general understanding between them isn’t great, is more dangerous than potentially good.

I would rather stick to our little shape differences of a principal formation (whether it’s a 2-1 or 1-2 midfield, whether we build with 3 at the back or with our CB’s, etc.) and pick individuals on merit, not just stick the best reputation (or better to say potential?) players in a diamond shape and what, force it until it works (and if it works)?

Right now we are not compact and together enough for any type of formation, we have to work on phases of play. How do we act when we build from the back, how do we act when we press (or a mid-block), how do we act in transitions (especially defensive), how do we act in set-pieces (both defending and attacking).

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One problem for a lot of us who have been patient and don’t think weve played shit since last January is we aren’t seeing any idea of what he is planning.

Brentford was the worst performance of the lot, we’ve created plenty up to that game just not finished our defence is a shambles but there was half a season where any team would score every time they attacked against a Klopp side.

4 losses would usually lead to falling completely out of it but we are still on the cusp so we need to do something quickly.

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Slot has lost the plot.

Will be gone after the City match (during international break).

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It rhymes!

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#SlotPlotsWhat

Does surprise me the bench isn’t stronger….

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