Sure. And how much money was available to him for upgrading the squad during those years? What staff were in place to support that recruitment? How many points did he achieve each of those seasons?
City and Arsenal are not looking like sides that post 90+ points. Jurgen’s 5th place finishing side would probably rip this season’s team a new one.
The only thing that can stop a bad team with a Mo is a good team with a Mo.
That and PSV.
Your point has merit, for sure. Klopp competed against peak Man City under peak Guardiola. I definitely don’t want to seem like I’m against Jurgen. He was really good for us.
I suppose my point is that think as a fanbase we are perhaps overly romantic about Klopp. Now that we are in a bit of trouble many fans are quick to want him back to help sort us out.
At the same time, in general as a fanbase, Klopp’s successor - who won the Prem on his first go - doesn’t enjoy much of the benefit of the doubt.
Its not romanticism, its fact and degree, and a lot of yearning. Yes Klopp had times when the team performances drifted to a low standard, but never as low as this, and its obvious right now we are rudderless, the manager does not know what to do to right it. That never happened with Klopp. Because he had a strong philosophy he believed in and everyone else bought into. Slot doesnt have this, nor the power of persuasion, is uncharismatic, and the complete wrong choice for a club that just had a dynastic giant as Klopp. Slot is not just a mismatch, he’s completely at the wrong end of the coaching spectrum. This is why we are seeing confusion and dysphoria, or rather as it manifests, a complete loss of mentality.
It isnt right to hark after Klopp returning, its not likely to happen, but what that does demonstrate is to reflect the sentiments I have written above. As a club, we’ve not got over Klopp, and ultimately, Slot isn’t going to get us over that hump.
With the highs comes the lows, but it isn’t just down to him, we are conceeding too many goals and for me our right side has been the problem and Mo doesn’t work hard enough defensively.
I also think he made a rod for his own back with saying that he has less defensive duties if he performs at the other end of the pitch.
I think you will find it was Slot who first mentioned the defending when Twatagher was having a dig.
I quite liked last season’s title under Slot, and if he survives this slump - and he may or may not - I’d be interested to see what he can do in building his own team without aging superstars like Salah making things even more difficult for him.
I hear you with Jurgen’s charisma. He’s the nearest thing we’ve seen since Shanks. And I loved it.
But let’s notice what came after Shanks. A fella with much less charisma, who looked awkward as you like whenever a microphone or camera was put in his face. And in his time Paisley won 6 titles and 3 European Cups in the most concentrated period of success in our entire history.
I’m not suggesting Slot will do the same, and he might not make it here, the jury is out - but it’s more a comment on charisma, from one manager to the next.
I had thought abut the transition form Shanks to Paisley, and the difference is Paisley, nor Moran, Fagan and Dalglish, changed the philosophy of the club in those transitions, whereas here in truth, I suspect, Hughes Edwards and Slot, the three of them, have had a right old board game evening with our club.
Its an interesting detour within this point, but still, Slot aint in any sense charismatic, and I’ll say fundamentally, the job of a football manager is charismatic.
Arne is nowhere near Jurgens le el for motivation, question is should he or should the players be self motivated?
It should be both and Arne should consider getting someone that helps him in this regards, maybe Heitinga was that person last year?
There were rumours that Heitinga was the bridge between Slot and the players, and thus the players trusted Heitinga.
Also, we have heard or seen that Slot has not gone through any truly tough times during his coaching career, unlike Kloppo for his ups and downs (relegation, missing out on promotion by a point or goal difference), in which Kloppo said it built characters. If Slot does turn this around and learn from the adversity, then the team will be okay. The question is, are LFC and the fans patience enough (assuming Slot can find a way out for the team).
Over the course of his first 100 games Klopp barely had a better record, mathematically, than Rodgers (I dont remember if the comparison was with his last 100 games though). There were lots of think pieces at the time about whether we’d improved at all and whether the change was worth it (of course we fucking had and of course it fucking was).
This is a reminder that these comparisons are often not straight forward to make, and (in Slot’s defense) sometimes succesful managers need a greater horizon to make a real judgement than we’ve had even one and half seasons in so far.
He has been shown a lot of respect, as most thought he should have been dropped earlier and definitely subbed off in several games.
4 in 3, but you forgot the West Ham game cos it doesn’t suit your agenda and 6 or 7 pfft
Respect from supporters. The ones who want him gone, the ones with short memories
3 or more goals conceded in 4 of the last 6. 3 or more goals conceded 9 times since March.
15 wins in 33 games.
I respect him for what he has done, he is here I will support him on the pitch and want him to do well for the TEAM.
But he is not the future and I want us to win games and play well which I respect more than what people have done.
We are talking about since Mo was dropped and 3 out of those 6 were when Mo was playing!
We’ve been crap, no two ways about it. The case doesn’t really need to be made. I think we can all see it.
All that is being discussed is whether or not there was a little sign of improvement in the last three games when Mo was dropped.
I think there was, although the case is damaged by the three goals shipped at Leeds. At that point I put that down to ongoing mental fragility, as we fell apart after the Konate penalty.
I think we need more data to know one way or the other, if Mo is not going to be part of the picture.
I think that issue needs to resolve, and then the focus is squarely on Slot, and whether or not the team is doing enough for him to win the right to stay.