I am still struggling with making my mind up with Slot and whether I want him at the club beyond the end of this season, and I suspect that will continue to be the case until the season closes.
FSG are pretty steady in how they operate, and I can’t therefore see them being rash about the decision and its more likely we start the season with him in charge.
There are so many things that have happened that will be playing a part in this seasons drop off, and the blame can likely be apportioned a few ways.
To Edwards/Hughes for lack of singings and seemingly being a bit too risk averse (why the fuck isn’t Guehi a LFC player or was another CB not brought in)
To Slot for poor man management (which can trickle down to his coaching/fitness staff) - he’s also not the club manager like Klopp was, arguably meaning he has less responsibility being the head coach, but that means someone else (Hughes) will be doing bits Jurgen used to do - and potentially doing a poor job of that.
The players for ultimately playing shit - the tactics being set by Slot might be wrong, but the tactics aren’t for players to misplace passes all the time.
I really want this season to be the transition season for club that its been labelled a few times (but ideally still winning the FA Cup or the CL (imagine!)), and after this season is over and the new one starts, we are all heading in the right direction under Slot…but also accept it’s probably not that easy.
Something will need to change in the summer - signings (outgoing and incoming), a new assistant coach (might be too easy to say Hietinga is missed and GVB isn’t doing a good job), or Slot is off (my heart also wants Alonso to one day be our manager and to be a success).
As is often the case when teams are playing poorly, fans want change, but change has to be done right and that’s the hardest bit.
Arne Slot - please fucking sort this shit out now and end the season strong - then we can worry about what happens next.
FFS, no need for being aggressive.
I’m not missing your point, I totally disagree with it. The closing of the chasm that you see isn’t actually happening. Wolves will be relegated, and won’t challenge to come back up next season. Because they are a poor , poor side.
We let them play, we were fucking afraid of them and thats why we lost.
Your defence of the manager, whilst admirable is also porous. And getting annoyed with other posters because they disagree with you isn’t cool.
That’s a fair point. Last night to me felt like ‘one of those’, where you dominate the game, get unlucky in the opposition box, should have had a penalty (we’ve all forgotten that one) but the the opposition score with their first fucking attack. It hurts for a bit, but you just move on.
Except we’ve had about 15 ‘one’s of those’ this this season, so it can’t be written off as such.
I think what you might be missing is that this is not a phenomenon isolated to Liverpool FC. Everyone around us is having problems routinely beating teams they should be beating. If you find a way to distill the fume around Liverpool and then asked someone with no knowledge of the league to say where they think we are, they wouldn’t say fifth.
We can’t be as shit as we think we are and still be fifth, without everyone else being shit too. Or maybe, we can just acknowledge, based on the quality all teams have at their disposal, that the more likely state of affairs is not that everyone is shit. It’s that everyone is in fact really good.
Yeah, I think there are a lot of popular arguments out there that just dont stand up to scrutiny.
I have some sympathy with the idea that independent of everything else we have lost points this year because of changes in set pieces that we were slow to acknowledge and respond to. We were caught short defensively and were too slow to adopt the same dirty tricks on our set pieces that are now seemingly allowed. But for that argument to have that much weight it needs to be one where the rest of the performance is ok to decent, and we’ve lost against the run of play because of isolated set pieces. But that doesnt remotely describe our season. Independent of set pieces we have looked poor on both sides of the ball all season. The games where we’ve looked anything close to our old controlling selves are the rare exceptions. You can probably count them on one hand. Even if the argument that “the league changed over night in ways that no one could have seen” had merit, it would still only describe a small portion of our struggles. And IMO the least concerning part of our struggles.
I’m going make this point on the league, I think its not as strong as last year, but we took a grasp of it early on and won the title at a canter. With us seemingly in transition or simply stuck between two systems no one else is cantering. Arsenal are copying last season, City are stronger and Man Utd are up there (but were until Amorim took over, in fact they were in the same place when he left as they were when Ten Haag left).
I didn’t think I was being aggressive, but it is hard not to get annoyed when people continually argue again a popular perception of your character rather that what you actually say.
I haven’t defended the manager. I have no fucking interest in defending the manager. His body of work after thirty games this season speaks for itself. It hasn’t been good enough and he hasn’t been good enough. The only question is whether his performance this season should be given more weight than his performance last season, and cost him his job. I’m open minded on that, especially with a candidate like Alonso available.
But I don’t like the pile on. I don’t like the forensically pulling apart of what he said when he was tired, emotional, pissed off and someone from TNT shoved a microphone under his nose. That isn’t defending him.
Jamie O’Hara thinks that because to be frank Jamie O’Hara is fucking basic.
FSG are not going to sack Slot for not finishing in the CL places, as if it’s some kind of reflex punishment for letting us all down.
FSG will sack Slot if they feel that the interests of Liverpool Football Club are best served by dismissing him. That’s a decision that should be analysed and taken if we don’t qualify for the Champions League. And also if we do.
It’s entirely possible that Slot misses out on CL and FSG conclude he is the man for the job regardless. It’s also possible that he does qualify for the CL and they still decide to part company.
We know that we know nothing , but the fact is that there’s been increased discussion in the media about a possible dismissal, even here in Germany it’s now a topic of conversation. And rightly so, in my opinion.
I agree we have no clue what the decision makers think, what will be the reasons and different percentage of factors that will decide to stick or change. And the timing.
And the media only do their jobs, of course we are an interesting topic all season, considering the size of the club, league and our struggles.
Yeah, but I don’t think he’ll be sacked as punishment for not finishing in the top five. He’ll get the bullet if FSG think he isn’t the right man anymore, and there is a better one out there.
At no point in that game from minute 1 to minute 94 did we dominate it. Pointless passing from side to side and backwards doesn’t count. It took to the 77th minute to have our 2nd shot on target. I admire your constant mission of trying to deflect all criticism but unfortunately in this case your argument holds no water its a fallacy.
In good faith..
If they come up again next year I’ll donate £100 to charity. DEBRA, the charity Graeme Souness advocates.
If they dont, you might donate to a charity of your choice.
Fine, but I feel that I should make you aware of the fine print.
Note: Any attempt to use a card against the instigator of the Fuck Off Card (Trademark pending) makes said user a bigger twat than the original creator
Well, whatever, maybe not, it’s all just speculation. We can’t really know what’s going on behind the scenes, especially since external pressure and public criticism have increased significantly. You can’t bury your head in the sand and just wait it out indefinitely when you unfortunately have to fear, and rightly so, that the next defeat is just around the corner.
I’m not part of a pile on.
Never have with Slot.
But last few games, including West Ham have swayed me towards wanting him gone.
Last night, we were cowardly against a team with two PL wins all season.
Two similar performances in our next two matches will see us out of sll competitions this season. We will lose Friday night and get slaughtered on Turkey on Tuesday.
Edit.
We could save the season by benching some players, starting Rio, showing a bit of passion.
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Wolves are rubbish.
In good faith..
If they come up again next year I’ll donate £100 to charity. DEBRA, the charity Graeme Souness advocates.
If they dont, you might donate to a charity of your choice.
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I’m not putting £100 of my families money on a daft internet bet. Let’s just remember this as a friendly interest thing. I think they are straight back up. You think they are shite. Let’s see who is right in a year.
, but the fact is that there’s been increased discussion in the media about a possible dismissal, even here in Germany it’s now a topic of conversation. And rightly so, in my opinion.