It would, actually. A woman that size will still be dominating, but with nowhere close to the upper body strength.
As for the data question, a huge part of this conversation has been the assertion that the data should not be collected in a differential fashion in the first place, so not surprising that it is hard to find.
Someone who was born a male and then transitions would still have a massive lower body strength as well. I am talking about bone structure , muscular formation etc. Doesnt matter if the testosterone levels are being set inside a particular threshold. They have already gained the advantage by then.
but again, this topic of discussion is trickling down from regulations set at the highest level to the average Jane or Jim playing in youth sports programs. youâre throwing numbers out there so letâs play with them. 500,000 transgender in the UK, so what percentage would be teenagers? 50,000? maybe 20% of those playing sports, you still have 10,000 transgender athletes of which you need some kind of plan of integrating them into the existing systems of sport? No small undertaking.
This has me thinking, Iâm going to phone a friend who is president of a football club with 2500 youth members and get their take on it. Iâll get back to you.
What do you mean by this?
Trans women are women, trans girls are girls as a policy in many places means self-identification, and a complete incapacity to report how many trans participants there are. Aurelio suggested there were less than 5 trans girls playing rugby in the country (presumably England?) at all levels, I have no idea if that is true - but in many places, neither does the national association.
At one level, I understand why athletic associations do this, where there is no possibility of advantage it is needlessly invasive and possibly hurtful to collect that data.
Got you. Youâre talking about participation rate data
The same with our views on Ukraine war, American elections, Maneâs transfer, Elon Musk or The Queen. But thatâs what forums are for. No idea what the rest of your post is about.
As I said, my concern about this debate is that itâs clearly being used as a right-wing dog whistle (by some, not here)
The point wasnât about the existing political lean one way or another. Put it another way, you would treat @Kopstarâs words differently from Rory Stewart (to pick a less polarising example), simply because one of them is seeking to use such stances to further their âcareersâ.
The American discourse in particular has now been completely captured by the Fox crowd.
He ignores my words 
Yeah but thatâs because theyâre worthless arenât they? Youâre hardly a Rory Stewart!
Youâre spot on 
And the netflix stand up comedian crowd.
@klopptimist @Arminius Iâve been forwarded this as a response to my inquiry. Itâs a relatively new discussion but is being lead by Canada Soccer which is the top of the pyramid for the sport in this country. so the trickle-down policies throughout the individual clubs should basically mirror this approach. Head to pg 21 for the good stuff.
Is there a big print abridged version please?
CSA has provided itâs members (provincial associations > Club level organizations) with an open message of âwelcomeâ and nothing in terms of how to deal with it at the club level. Literally, preaching inclusion but zero guidance as to how the clubs are to integrate LGBQT+ players. and I quote: âBC Soccer does fuck all. They tell clubs what CSA says and wait for the clubs to figure it out on their own. No Leagues or ways to include. All just guidelines. As a National Youth Club License holder we have to figure it out ourselves and itâs a major part of our strategy for 2022-2023.â
then goes on to agree with my comment about a trickle-down theory of âyou deal with itâ but the policy of welcome and openness = a lot of lip service.
Yeah, I would agree with that. A lot of downward delegation to organizations that much less prepared to deal with it. For Ontario Soccer, read BC Soccer.
That said, while speed and power matter, it is less of a safety issue than it is in other sports, so I am less confident about where the balance should be struck.
Yes, it reads like a document that was careful to use the right language without saying anything helpful or actionable for the people it was directed to.
@Limiescouse the perfect politickingâŚwhich is what my Prez friend has suggested.