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Just noticed this nasty little shithouse comment. Shameful stuff.

I live in Nottingham, followed the news really closely with incredible sadness and disbelief. There was nothing much I wanted to say here, and anything I did say would have been only adding to rumour and gossip.

When more details emerged I put some thoughts on the politics thread.

What did you hope to achieve with this comment?

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It’s a weird one, and I completely agree.

I hope they can be found and made safe. At the same time it’s frustrating that a massive search effort has needed to be mounted for this kind of risky dangerous activity. I wonder if there is scope to recover the costs of their rescue?

Was thinking the same earlier. Apparently a UK company has a ROV that can go to 6000m, they got a call on Monday. It’s a tricky conversation from the off. “Bloody hell that’s dreadful! You’d like our help? Will cost us £10m to just get there with a crew, we can’t afford to do that, much as we’d like to”

On the flip side, there are billionaires in that cylinder who I suspect would be very generous if rescued. Could be a game of serious high stakes poker with a very certain cut-off time.

OceanGate asked UK deep ocean specialists to help

Magellan, a British firm that specialises in deep ocean investigations and recovery operations, has said it is supporting the rescue mission for the Titan.

The company said in a statement on its website it had experience operating at even deeper depths.

Magellan said it was contacted by OceanGate early on Monday and “immediately offered our knowledge of the specific site and also our expertise operating at depth considerably in advance of what is required for this incident”.

"We have been working full-time with UK and US agencies to secure the necessary air support to move our specialist equipment and support crew.

“We are ready to support, and we are fully mobilised to help,” the firm said.

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About this time yesterday they were saying they had only 40hrs worth of oxygen left. I can’t see this being anything other than a recovery mission.

Fingers crossed.

That reads quite harshly following on from the last message :grimacing:

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What does anyone hope to achieve with any comment on here?
It was an observation, and a fairly accurate one.

Pages and pages of political pissing contests happen on here, outrage (correctly so) at Boris’ behaviour, yet in comparison horrific incidents like Nottingham and many others just as horrific don’t seem to be discussed as much.

It’s a trend we’re all probably guilty of, but a trend nonetheless.

can you imagine how bad it must smell in there at this stage. :face_vomiting:

And clearly aimed at me.

Please don’t instruct me on how I process my grief and concern for something that has happened in my own fucking city.

It was a general observation, I have no idea or interest which city you live in.

Based on info now hitting the public, seems unlikely. Their Director of Marine Ops resigned because of design concerns.

“OceanGate received that same year came from 38 experts in the submersible craft industry; all of them were members of the Manned Underwater Vehicles committee of the Marine Technology Society, a 60-year-old industry group that promotes, studies and teaches the public about ocean technology. The experts wrote in their letter to Mr. Rush that they had “unanimous concern” about the way the Titan had been developed, and about the planned missions to the Titanic wreckage.”

Carbon fibre hull vulnerable to catastrophic collapse, essentially fine until it isn’t. Front window only certified to depths of 1300 meters, a full 2300 meters short of planned trip depth.

Speechless.

Difficult to get your head around 2 to 2.5 miles down. I’ve got my advanced and deep diving scuba tickets. That covers you to 50m and even that feels a long long way down.

Former Canadian Coast Guard friend of mine explained in a group chat just how dodgy this situation is. There aren’t many regulations around submarines to begin with. This one doesn’t ever operate anywhere except international waters. It is registered by an American company, but when in Canadian waters it is cargo. Transport/CCG have nothing to do with the submersible, no jurisdiction. It never enters American waters, so USCG has no jurisdiction either.

what a shambles. Company I used to work with, we did work craning subs in/out the ocean off a pier and we had to have special insurance just to hook onto one of those things. astronomical costs associated with deep water work.

Not if you say “Nah, it’s a niche experimental research vehicle. We’re the best people to make sure it’s safe. But all passengers enter at their own risk”

I have a nasty feeling that you and I as Canadian taxpayers are going to end up on the hook for some of this. The FN that owns the ship and appears to operate it is just 3000 people, won’t take much of a judgement to put them in real trouble.

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If I’m

why is their contact page showing Everett, WA? Where did you see that it’s owned by FN?

See my earlier comment about jurisdictions. OceanGate is an American company. They appear to contract operations to the point of submersion to an entity owned by the Miawpukek FN (Miawpukek Horizon Maritime Services), which appears to own at least the majority of the ship (Polar Prince). They also own the second ship deployed (Horizon Arctic).