easy, i’d get at least 10 on the backside of the cow I’d plough into!
Tooooooo much information @Flobs - your private business is yours alone :0)
Sorry!
Biden makes surprise visit to Kiev. Weapons announcement to follow ?
Rumors that he is supplying a few strategic balloons America recently “acquired” .
I watched a recent interview she did and for the first time I felt , if not sympathy , then at least a little compassion for her.
Anyone know what will happen to her now that her appeal has been denied ?
This sounds more like a massacre , 10 dead and 100 with gunshot wounds , and will inevitably beget more violence.
Shame.
I’m sure ISIS will take her back and treat her well
What I find disturbing about this case is that she is a product of the UK and we are shirking responsibility - we should be responsible and accountable for the people how live in the UK. What is the difference between her and any other offender in the context of how we deal with a negative outcome of the individual? Stick her in jail, find the people who groomed her - stick them in jail, think of how the system can be bettered to prevent people from being so misled.
This verdict feels contrived and an admission of defeat and represents a lack of faith in society - sort of like we can’t be bothered so, whatever!
A complicating factor in her case is that the guy who smuggled her from Turkey into Syria was actually working for Canadian intelligence. The Brits knew this and they also knew she was being targeted for recruitment but still failed to tell her family or her school before she disappeared. The whole thing is incredibly murky , but it would appear that she could have been prevented from leaving.
Frankly, I think that is a red herring thrown up her lawyers. The fact that one ISIS operative on the chain that moved her from the UK to Syria had been turned and become a paid informant for Canadian intelligence doesn’t mean she was trafficked in any way. Canadian intelligence did not even have her passport information until after she was in Syria. She made her choices - there is a debate about whether or not the consequences are proportionate, particularly considering her age at the time. But the characterization that ‘she was trafficked by Canadian intelligence’ made by her representatives is a deliberate misrepresentation that somehow suggests she could only be held responsible if she had been moved by a completely uncompromised ISIS chain…when at the time just about every intelligence agency in the West was making penetrating those networks a top priority.
Still , the anti-terrorism branch of the Met in the UK were aware of her plans to abscond and still did nothing to prevent it.
Racist and Islamaphobic Met police prevent muslim girl from doing what she considered to be her religious duty.
All depends who writes the headlines.
The police were presumably under orders from MI5 not to divulge the intelligence they already had on the girls either to the school or the parents. Like Arminius said , their priority was making inroads into ISIS’ organisational operation and apparently this wasn’t too high a price to pay to safeguard that operation.
As for the Met , it does make you wonder if they would have acted with the same disregard for the girls’ wellbeing had they been white and middle class. Just Imagine the uproar then had it subsequently been revealed that it could have been prevented , and also consider would they still be getting stripped of their citizenship and denied return to the country of their birth ?
I largely agree with your analysis but this line that the government are pushing that she made a knowing lifestyle choice was also the same excuse that the authorities used to defend their inaction over the Rochdale (and other) grooming gangs.
I expect that their next bullshit excuse will involve political correctness gone mad.
In Singapore, we also have an increasing issue with very young people subscribing to extremist ideologies and in recent months, we had 16 and 15 year olds getting arrest under our Internal Security Act where they will be detained indefinitely until they are deemed reformed usually under counselling by leading religious teachers or volunteers. Its controversial to some but again while some see this as a forceful governmental intervention but I see it as preventive and can be enforced properly when enough evidence are being collected, like how one 18 year in Singapore has planted ISIS flags in one of our islands and making videos to claim that island as a caliphate for ISIS and planning to travel to fight in the name of the religion. There have been almost 100 such detainees in the last 2 decades and 85% have since been released after deemed reformed. However, it is not wise to keep them in a mass prison where they will have a chance to either influence others or get influenced by others. For the case of this girl, it is going to always invite criticism no matter what the government does in the UK. Accept her and it means they do not care about UK security. Keep her out and it means they are shirking responsibility. Not saying they are any beacon of great governance, but this is truly a case of no win for them and I think at least they took the action where they think will protect more people in the country.