A few interesting PL decisions during the weekend of football.
Brighton have received an apology from the PGMOL for a one of three questionable decisions that went against then during their game against Spurs. That’s the third time they’ve had apologies this season alone - can see why Brighton feel they’re getting shafted.
Will be interesting to see what comes of the linesman that flung at elbow at Robbo. We already know Klopp’s not a fan of Tierney reffing our games - and turns our it was the same linesman that flagged for Robbo’s red last season against Spurs.
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Not even willing to own up to their blatant misdemeanors yet they wonder why no one respects them, respect the game a little more than maybe that’ll change.
Until then…
I know everyone will want to focus on the Kane non-red, but do you actually think looking at it in isolation that the Robbo tackle wasn’t a red?? I am trying to understand whether there are supporters that genuinely believe that or whether its a case of two wrongs making a right due to the fact Kane escaped what was a nailed-on red card.
I can’t see the Robbo leg cut as anything but red. Tierney has it in for us no question and by god, the lack of a Kane red could have altered the score of the match and therefore, could have influenced the title. But I wouldn’t call the Robbo red wrong.
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Was a red all day long.
I was just pointing out the fact it was the same lino.
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The problem is that what is and isn’t a red is set by the context of what has gone before it.
The Robbo leg swipe is only a red if the assault by Kane on Robbo has been similarly punished. Having set a context that going high, off the ground, and at force on an opponents knee is sound, Robbo and the Liverpool fans are entitled to feel aggrieved that a lesser challenge is then given a red.
The problem is with officials arbitrarily going into letter of the law mode after 70 minutes of letting players kick lumps put of each other. It doesn’t feel fair.
I think everyone would prefer a more consistent application of the laws of the game. A yellow card challenge is a yellow card challenge. A red is a red. Doesn’t matter if it’s the 3rd minute or the 87th.
I understand that the referees are under pressure to keep their cards in their pocket and preserve the game as an 11 v 11 context, but I’d challenge that idea. A clear application of the rules, where players are aware of what is and isn’t a card will surely lead to fewer red cards, not more. The Robbo sending off only happens because he thinks, with some justification, ‘Oh right. If Harry Kane is allowed to do that, then I’m allowed to do this.
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You see, to me the Robbo decision was fair. The Harry Kane decision was unfair. Had Robbo made his challenge earlier in the game and Kane after Robbo had been sent off - obviously it would had to have been on a different player - I would feel the same that Robbo had been treated fairly and us being treated unfairly on Kane not being sent off.
I can understand how in-match context could relate to yellow card challenges. I really don’t like how players on a yellow card can escape a second punishment for a yellow card offence, particularly if the second challenge is made early in the match. But coming back to the point about context, I think it relates to yellows where there is more interpretation of whether its a yellow card offence at all, whereas red is a dangerous and reckless challenge, which Robbo’s was. No ifs or buts about earlier challenges in the match.
And do you really think Robbo went about swinging his leg at a player like he did because he thought suddenly the rules don’t apply because of what happened with Kane getting off? I doubt it. If anything at all, it is frustration with Kane getting away with it and yes, we can all feel that frustration, but it doesn’t actually give justification for him making that sort of challenge.
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Don’t disagree at all.
I was responding to the question about if thought Robbo’s tackle was a red - in isolation, yes, but add in the context of that game, the clarity changes massively.
Seems the point I was drawing attention to - that the lino that flung the elbow was also involved in Robbo’s red, has been missed. I was pointing to a potential history between Robbo and the Lino, hence the lino’s reaction. I wasn’t truing to reopen the red card itself.
I get you now. I misunderstood.
Viewing it in isolation, it’s obviously a red. But the problem is that these incidents don’t happen in isolation.
Something refs do all the time is let early challenges go. Mourinho was a cunt for this. He’d always have one of his players put in a reducer in the first couple of minutes on an opposition player safe in the knowledge that no referee is going to send off a player at that stage of the game. At some point a player gets a yellow, or worse, because the referee has reached the point where he thinks he should probably show a card, and that’s a stupid way to enforce the laws of the game.
It leaves players judging their challenges, not on the basis of how hard or reckless it is, but on whether the referees patience is likely to snap. How late in the game is it? Have there been lots of bad tackles already? Does this prick just not like me? Am I the England Captain?
It all comes down to the need to referee incidents not context. The referees job should be to apply the laws of the game not manage it as entertainment.
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Please raise your hand if you saw this one coming …
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It genuinely looks like Martin Cassidy is a fucking tool.
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I mean the guy is a premier league linesman…he probably has been punished enough.
I mean he’s the Head of Ref Support UK - I suspect if he was truthful, he’d not be offering much support to old elbow thrower Constantine.
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Right so all players whoever they are, which ever team thay play for…should not approach the officials…these officials should be made to walk of the pitch first and no one should approach them…but thats what they want…accountable to themselves, their own private little club…don’t know the answer…but they should be accountable to someone…make em do after match interviews…
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The Robbo red card is really a blind alley for this to go down. Even taking into account the difference in type between Robbo’s foul and Kane’s, and Robbo’s complete public contrition and lack of objection to his punishment, which would surely negate any issue from that being carried over, the lino wasnt even involved in giving the red. It was given on the pitch as a yellow and then upgraded after VAR review.
If there is any avenue for this being caused by issues carrying over you’d think it would be mroe likely Tierney getting psyched up for coming up against Klopp again after the shit Klopp gave him after that Spurs game, and getting his team really on the edge in terms of being hyper vigilant to perceived antagonism.
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Tierney should not be getting psyched up because of facing Klopp.
If he is, then he should request not having Liverpool matches.
We won’t complain. He obviously has an issue with Liverpool and we can all see that.
Regarding the bottling of sending off England Captain Harry Kane and how that non decision effects this discussion?
Same as Pickford on VVD. If that is red, as it should be then the leg snapper on Thiago is less likely to happen.
If Kane is sent off, then Robbo recognises that the ref means business. Might still happen but the likelihood is reduced.
The afternath of that match isn’t about Robbo or Klopp, its about a referee who is unable to do his job properly.
If there is residual stuff from that its on Tierney. Do your job properly or fuck off.
Consider this…
Why was Robbo given a yellow card on Sunday?
If he “manhandles” the lino its a straight red? If he didn’t, then its no card and a VAR review at half time stands the lino down?
Or, as we all know this is moral cowardice and abject bias by Tierney. Not brave enough to red card Robbo in case he got it wrong, and afraid of SKY/Keane et al if he drops the lino.
And what did VAR do?
Fuck all, because its not a clear mistake.
More cowardice.
Why did Robbo even get a yellow card when the ref was too far away to see anything.The ref barely moved,slowly walking for about 10 seconds after the assault,he then momentarily stops to talk to a player before heading towards Robbo brandishing a yellow.He can only respond in that way if someone is in his ear telling him to do so.Jota was the closest player to it and you could see from his response he seen exactly what happened,eventually telling the ref who ignored him.
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The problem with Cassidy making that statement means he is saying the officials are above the laws of the game.
Would he be saying similar had the roles been reversed and Robbo had elbowed a ref?
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Well at that point it’s just common assault which is against the rules of the country.
Did Cantona end up in court on assault charges after his kung fu kick?
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