Climate Catastrophe

And save the excess fat for roasting the potatoes.

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No, the future is everywhere. Only a few places can boast viability from wind-farms - mainly island nations - and weā€™re talking 20 year projections as well.

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Are you crazy, you could strike it rich tomorrow.

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But then Iā€™d be next on the menu. :anguished:

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I never imagined you had that much fat, beyond a huge arse :rofl:

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The French meals soon add up, mate.

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I love Roastiesā€¦ but the thought of potatoes done in Trump fat is really off putting.

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But you donā€™t need 100% wind on a grid, or even close, to have electric vehicles running on 100% renewable, and doing even better than that. Anywhere with a significant amount of wind in the generation portfolio faces intervals where generation cannot go anywhere, and therefore does not happen. Same holds for photovoltaics, although the inverse correlation between vehicle demand and generation is not as good for PV. For both, however, the existence of energy storage in the form of parked vehicles allows renewable penetration to increase, not just by the direct displacement (energy used by the vehicle) but also on some grids by allowing the batteries of parked cars to be used to act as a peaking resource - directly displacing what would otherwise be natural gas generation.

Electric cars are not the complete solution that someone Musk presents them as, but in conjunction with better public transport, they are definitely contributing to bringing down net emissions in the transport sector. Frankly, even if they are displacing petrol conversion for natural gas conversion in that sector, that is still a near-term improvement.

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Look mate, youā€™re not gone lose me with detail and science, the opening premise was electric cars are currently misrepresented as being ecological when they are mainly running on gas going to the grid. Its true. As to the futureā€¦you make a good case for it being viable, one day, and indeed it is something I have given thought to in a plan for a novella; as such developments will change the way we live fundamentally in ways most people have not yet even thought of.

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Information, education and change of culture which of course would take more than decades, generations, life times. We havenā€™t even started and the climate crisis is in catastrophic zone. Just think about @Klopptimist and his familly how many generations would it take to persaude them only to eat meat say once a week? I doubt I could persaude him that you can make wholesome tasty meals with beans or nuts along with the few vegies he serves with his meat.
The medical profession would be pretty difficult to budge on this as well, seemingly intelligent people acting liks dickheads.

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Shit I missed the obvious with the information we have all we need to do is make everyone poor. :smiley:

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This is an interesting point to be honest. I hear some horror stories of medical advice people get from time to time. Sadly a lot of it is in the States but I put that down to the fact that is where the people I discuss these issues come from. Knowledge on the importance of diet in the medical profession is nowhere near where it needs to be but it is like many things an ever evolving thing.

The of course there is the whole fake news conspiracy side which seems to have leaked into every aspect of life and topical discussion these days.

The problem as I see it is that people will see this as a sacrifice. Thatā€™s where we need to address the issue and make it a viable alternative to all.

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Iā€™d probably go the other way. Make meat and fish prohibitively expensive but there are massive downsides to that approach as well to be honest.

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Its a surprising observation about the ā€˜kings of the universeā€™, but right that they dont really even know how to keep a home or eat.

No less how we raise children on lies for them to only discover the reality in their teens in this accepted ā€˜storm and stressā€™ model. But how much of that lies in the shock of disenchantment.

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Iā€™ve been cooking since I was 4. I doubt (unless youā€™re a pro chef) that you could could teach me anything. Particularly as my niece lived with us for 2 years who was a veggie verging on vegan and Iā€™m phenomenally keen that anybody who eats at my table gets fresh and wholesome food.

I managed an organic Charolais beef heard for 10 years, I suspect thereā€™s nothing you can tell me about beef farming either.

But on both counts, do please try as you brought it and me into the debate and it has to be said not in a friendly manner.

You canā€™t beat pulling a calf out of its mother, feeding it, looking after it and eventually serving it with a nice Rioja.

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The poor suffer enough and hit them even more is to me a disgusting thought, making things expensive hits poor people first and foremost. Tax on any product has knock on effects and in noway levels the playing field. Tax should be where it has an impact i.e on wealth.

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it was meant in friendly banter based on your previous posting on eating meat (TIA). I apologise if you were offended as that was not the intention.

Btw are you Highlander? Just that with all your 10 and 15 years working this and that plus all the study that implies you must bereally old. :wink:

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Yeah, thatā€™s one of the obvious problems with that idea. There are many others too.

personally I would like to see that imbalance addressed and then hike those prices. That then also needs to come with some kind of policy that gets rid of the crap in the freezer section of most supermarkets. Dunno, I havenā€™t thought it all through properly to be honest.

Eating less fish for example by making it more expensive my reduce the amount of fishing thatā€™s killing our oceans but we are advised to eat more of it due to the health benefits. Fish farming is a horribly inefficient and harmful practice as well.

So itā€™s a no win scenario really.

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Its a tricky aspect of this problem to address, but not only changes in price of some foods and systemic adaptations in the manner in which we live, are both indisputably required. But there is one moreā€¦depopulation.

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