I think the meat industry in Africa is monopolized to the point where it is expensive to the point of it being a luxury. Chickens go for $10 USD per KG during my time. In a certain country, the 2nd largest chicken farm is own by an ex prime minister. So they do eat alot of meat I am sure partly because of diet but also partly that meat is considered a step up in terms of the social ladder. A long time ago even in Singapore in the 70s, we only had chicken during special occasions like birthdays and Chinese New Year so the ability to have chicken was like an aspiration, as silly it might sound to people who eat it every meal or daily.
ADD: and we use to sell highly processed cheap milk powder to African countries because that was the only protein some of them could afford so the ability to have protein through meat is again something to look forward to after seeing the âadvancedâ world enjoying it for so long
Thatâs a myth though that (a) you can only get protein through meat, and (b) you cannot get sufficient protein through vegetables. Iâm not even vegetarian (purely because I do enjoy fish and meat, just sparingly), but itâs a very important point to make.
Even the most meat-heavy diet I can think of, âtraditionalâ US Southern cuisine, was once very heavy on vegetables. A lot of the exceptionally rich use of meat was meant to take advantage of what little meat was available - post-WW2 and the end of scarcity, it became unhealthy and inadvertently not ideal for the climate.
Meat in the western world is very cheap. I think people are conditioned to expect it. They rarely have it shaped as the original animal. For many families, the Christmas roast is one of the few occasions that they will cook an entire animal. Aside from that, itâs more likely to be sausages, burgers, nuggets etc.
When meat replacement products are cheaper than the real thing many people will switch simply for economic reasons.
I agree of course but we are looking at it with benefit of having being there, done that. What we learned very quickly during that forum, is that we go to them and tell them the benefit of eating less meat and blah blah blah all the facts and ignoring what they really want. To them, here is a group of people who have enjoyed all these indulgences, screwed the world and now is taking the noble ground of telling us these âfactsâ and expect us now to conform in order to save the world and if we donât says to us âwhy canât you see that we need to save the world?â
Africa is a fucking enormous continent yet here we talk about Africans like they are some little tribe living in Somerset!
Wtf!
This thread just goes to the limits of absurdity!
This is true but it is worth noting that I do think itâs more difficult to get the right amino acids from a pure vege or vegan diet. Itâs certainly possible to get enough protein but when your body breaks that down itâs still missing some useful amino acids.
Iâm way out of my depth on that and happy to be corrected.
protein in general is fairly inexpensive to raise you have have the space, and the time. pigs, chickens are garbage disposal units for vegetable cuttings and such, feed is inexpensive. cows just need time and good grass.
I know some people that still hunt to fill their freezer every spring/fall and swear itâs better meat than what you buy at supermarket. deer/caribou and sometimes moose. I had a bbq last spring and the 20+ burgers I cooked were a beef/pork/moose blend. delicious.
All 9 essential and in fact 20 amino acids are availble in a balanced vegan diet. Eating veg, nuts, grains and beans will provide all you need.
Soya, quinoa, buckwheat and others contain all 9 amino acids.
Studies indicate only vegans on highly processed diets lack amino acids.
Then again the âworld is flatâ in many ways!
how many of those ingredients in a vegan diet are available to be grown locally to you?
out of curiousityâŚIf weâre really worried about the climate why are we not all eating foods which are native to our homes, or that can be grown in that environment?
as an example, for my region. this is how I plan my garden
you realize it takes a week to drive across this country, right? 7000kms
Iâm talking about food that can be grown locally.
Probably one of the largest pollutants associated with foods is NOT the animals themselves, but rather the transportation of those goods from âfarmâ to table.
your region is blessed to have ideal growing conditions which is fantastic.
You are closer to Moscow than I am to Semmyâs house. Where he lives, living off local produce would in theory be fairly easy, with a much longer growing season than the continental climate inland that stretches from the Coast-Rockies ranges all the way to the Atlantic coast.
I already have seedlings in my greenhouse for transplanting as soon as it stops with the frost at night. I have a 200kg thermal mass in the greenhouse to equalize the temps a bit but since itâs single-pane glass and metal, it doesnât do much. I have to re-lay my pavers on the floor as the greenhouse has settled over time, will be a back-breaking week.
am going through my seed packs this week to see what I need for the upcoming season. over-wintering garlic has sprouted already, my leeks and winter onions are already going gangbusters.
You realise I was just answering a post by Noo_Noo.
No where did I suggest a vegan diet!
You do realise we transport frozen and dried animals all round the world, donât you?
⌠and the grain to feed them from Canada!
sorry for the confusion, and whilst I understand from my background in logistics/trucking that food gets moved all over the world. however I donât necessarily agree with it. Lamb from New Zealand, Wagyu from Japan, salmon from here in Vancouver, etc. itâs luxury foods.
I recognize that much of our fresh fruit and vegetables are imported these days, however I donât love that either. Much rather we go back to the old days of food cellars in homes when youâd can/jar much of your fruit during harvest season to be consumed over winter.
most of the grain we ship is for human not animal consumption.
