Cost of Living Crisis

I think this was always the intention with Smart Meters. Essentially, a replacement for the old Economy 7 tariffs. My understanding is that there would also be “Smart Sockets” so that things would power up when the price was lowest.

This is not necessarily a bad thing as it means things like storage heaters and electric cars can be charged when there is excess renewable power - that would mean wind turbines, for example, could be left to run flat out rather than being switched off when there is an excess.

There have already been similar things with data centres - they can run off battery-only power for short periods to balance the grid.

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Seriously, for many of us, it is going to be a choice of putting the heating and gas on or the weekly food shop. Forget if you have to do an unexpected repair to do in the house. Last week, My roof guttering fell, had to get a new guttering and fascia put in, that was £500. I am looking for full time work, but it is slow in my sector.
The UK government is steering the people into more poverty and they are not listening to the mood of the country. People are waking up and seeing all these CEOs of companies getting so much bonuses and profits (and during the pandemic), but the working person’s monthly eating away and they are angry. I wouldn’t be surprised if people refuse to pay their energy bills as well as those who can’t pay.

Thanks anyway.
I just hope the war in Ukraine ends soon, maybe it will help a little. It is causing instability all over the world as well

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That’s exactly the product I started designing last night. A simple quick replacement for a standard socket, master in the house has a sim card and talks to all the others over the cables. Simple really.

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I tried to post this yesterday but had problems doing it on my phone. In essence this is a demonstration of what can be done to reduce energy consumption and bills.

I kept records of monthly energy from our old house in Scotland from the time we moved in to when we moved out. This was a large stone-built Victorian house which didn’t have much in the way of energy efficiency other than some aluminium framed double glazing.

This was the gas consumption as an annual rolling average between 2012 and 2019. As we moved in during the Spring we didn’t see the full effect at first but the annual consumption was up to 41,000 KWh/year. This was reduced to 18,500.

This is a similar one for electric which went from 5,500 KWh/year to 2,700. I started permanently working from home which accounts for the increase in 2015.

During this period we switched from gas to electric cooking and the shower went from electric to gas.

From memory, the following were used to reduce gas consumption:

  • Energy efficient shower head.
  • Roof insulation (initially some rockwool where it could be accessed and then all over when we had to have the roof replaced/repaired.
  • Smart radiator thermostats
  • Replacement double glazing

Had we remained there, I would have been able to install under-floor insulation and a more energy efficient boiler, both of which would have reduced the gas by 10% each.

The electric was reduce with the following:

  • All lighting replaced with LED (it was previously incandescent or halogen bulbs).
  • Replaced CRT TVs with LCD flat panels.
  • Replaced Washer, Dryer, Dishwasher with A+++ rated appliances.
  • The oven and stove where new but I went for an induction hob and A++ rated oven.
  • Timer switches on the kids electric crap (more of a bedtime thing but the buggers would leave things plugged in.
  • Also I received more efficient computer and comms equipment from work (by chance - they honestly didn’t care).

The point with all this is that none of these changes involved significant lifestyle changes - in fact some of it was a distinct improvement. However, all these things cost money and if someone is broke they won’t have the cash to make the upfront investment - it’s the classic poverty trap.

There are some things that the government could do that are relatively cheap and could be done quickly. The bulbs, shower head and heating controls are relatively cheap. Other things are more expensive but standard economic instruments could help - e.g. reducing VAT on energy efficient appliances or increasing it on those that aren’t.

My feeling is that these programmes need to be organised by government - preferably local government. The market driven model doesn’t work for this. The Green Deal was been an absolute disaster and the country is now paying the price for it.

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Bosch do something like this already. I think it integrates into their Smart home system. They also do something similar to the smart radiator valves which I mentioned in the other post (I can’t remember the manufacturer of the ones I had - I bought them from a place in Belfast).

I used to work with a guy in the Civil Service who developed a smart plug type thing. He was on Dragon’s Den with it once.

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Excellent post Whippet,
Thanks for the useful information, I will definitely take on board some of the suggestions
I have some of those things done on the house. My house 80+ years old. I have a combination boiler and electric ceramic hob, double glazing. Maybe, I can insulate the roof abit more.

There is this Government Green Grants scheme, where they come and assess the house, give better insulation and put PV Solar panels on the roof. I was encouraged to apply for it, but I am not sure if I fit the criteria to qualify for it.

Where can I get one of those smart plugs @Klopptimist ?

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I think @Klopptimist was referring to an integrated socket which would be a great idea. I’ve found a UK link for the Bosch ones here:

I’m not sure what the payback time would be for that. I had a simple timer plug which I picked up for a tenner from Lidl (i.e. I did the standard thing of going to Lidl for cheap groceries and coming out with a ton of electrical gadgets and power tools.)

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Thank you for this. :pray: :palms_up_together:
How many would I need?
Do you just put one in the house or one upstairs and one downstairs?

Edit: I have no clue how they will work for my house?

Yeah, if this scheme comes in, we (for reasons) have a pile of these timers, one will be going on the car for sure. Washing machine and dishwasher have built in timers so they’re the big draws sorted. All out lights are LED and the tvs draw buttons. Hot tub isn’t going on any time soon though but the fire-pit is seeing lots of use :slight_smile:

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I haven’t installed the Bosch system so I’m not sure exactly what is involved but I expect it would be a smart plug on every device that you would want to control.

There are plugs that you can get that will work off a mobile phone. I think these will do that:

All these do is to switch the power on or off so they will help if you have something that needs switching on or off at a specific time. It helps if you know what is using the most electricity. There are also standalone plugs with a simple timer.

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Home devices in rough order power usage in the UK as we tend not to have aircon:
Any kind of electrical fan / convection heater (usually constant 2kW)
Washer
Dishwasher
Oven
PC Computer (tower)
Lights
TV
Games consoles
Charging devices for phones / headphones / speakers etc (negligible)

Swap all your lights for LEDs if not already done, always do a full wash, don’t use a dryer and turn the thermostat down 2 degrees, makes a massive difference.

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I can’t find the radiator valves that I bought in Belfast but they were this kind of idea:

I started using these when I was working from home. The idea is that you can set them to only heat the rooms at the times that they are used and to an appropriate temperature. E,g, my home office would be heated between 08:00-17:00, the living room from 17:00-23:00, bedrooms higher between 21:00-23:00 and then lower throughout the night etc.

If someone wants to use the room they can be manually overidden and will revert to the standard patten at the next time change.

It looks a faff but I found this was one if the biggest savings. It cost about 200 quid to do at the time and paid back within a few months. Obviously there are more advanced systems out there.

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Would be great to centralise control, they’re expensive systems though. No point heating jnr’s room all day when they’re at school, etc. Great idea though and not tricky for somebody with half an idea of plumbing and a few spanners. Don’t forget to bleed the radiators first and it forces you to do THE MOST IMPORTANT THING in a house, locate your stop-cocks!

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@RedWhippet @Klopptimist
Thank you guys for this :pray: :palms_up_together: I can’t believe this is happening in the UK.

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If there are already manual radiator thermostats fitted it doesn’t even involve spanners. The old valve heads unscrew and the new one fits on the top of it. The only problem I found was that some of my valves were an old type and the valve head didn’t fit over the top of it. I asked my plumber to change those for me when he was doing the annual boiler service.

Bleeding radiators is also another good tip. It’s a totally DIY thing that can be checked throughout the winter but it does need an understanding of how to repressure the boiler. I’m sure there are YouTube videos that would help with that.

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I’ve done a fair bit of plumbing over the years so happy to take on pretty much anything. Replaced just about every part in the old boiler too.

The classic tip is always to check your attic insulation (if you have one) should be a good depth, 150mm or more and make sure it covers everything. If you have in-ceiling spots fitted, be sure to have a properly rated cover over it before covering with insulation.

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You’ve left off a big one - Fridge (and Freezer)

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Yes but you’re never going to put those on timers. Running current of the one in the flat we’re in (just checked) is 0.8A so 192W, a tenth of an elec heater.

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If all fails, invest insulated clothing, in camping gear, solar powered lanterns, sleeping bags, heat pads, hot water bottle, freeze dried food! Pretend I am living at base camp near K2. :grimacing: :grinning:

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A decent quality duvet is a sound investment. If you are warm in a cooler room you will tend to sleep better.

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