Darwin NUNEZ: 2024/25

I’m going by the strict definition of half a season, which Alisson doesn’t qualify for yet (thankfully). In all his full seasons thus far, Konaté has played 11, 18, and 22 league games, meaning that he’s only played more than half the season with us once. If we look at availability, it might be slightly different, but you get the idea.

Alisson’s worst for us was last season, with 28 games played (2019-20 had him on 29). Two more league games and he’ll tie or that record this season, since he’s missed 8 already.

I’m not.

Brilliant finisher but I wouldn’t sign him due to persistent injuries.

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Most people will naturally warm more to players who are: wild, physical, have pace, are aggressive.

All those things can be used in a positive way for the team if you can do it in a balanced way, but can be also part of the problem. Even more so under Slot, than under Klopp.

Nunez might think “being everywhere” is good and that’s how he improves, which in fact, might be trying to do too much, not being good for him or for the team.

Cavani was a player with some similar qualities, body frame, style, natural instinct. He also got his critics all his career for missing certain sitters and not being technically the “cleanest”. Which resulted in him, at times, also doing a job on the sides of an attack, acting like more of a supporting striker. He was really one of the most hard working forwards of his time. Who also got regularly high numbers of end product.

Let alone being a top class player, Nunez is struggling to even get to a Cavani level (which is still pretty high). That’s the best I was hoping for him and I’ll never close the gates for a player to suddenly, seriously improve. Please, let it happen. But it’s not.

His approach to an extent is fine, he’s generally willing to work, be a team player, assist. But he’s not making enough progress in other things, including (and not only!) finishing.

In 20+ years of watching football now, more often than not, players who were supposed to have all the tools in the world, but something either didn’t click or they didn’t have the intelligence or mentality to accomplish more, al the tools actually weren’t there or were overrated in the first place and the intelligence/mentality was underrated as hugely important factor. It’s not Messi’s right foot, or Beckham’s left foot. They can be incredible by not having certain things, but some things are fundamental.

Being unpredictable for opponents while also being unpredictable for us (okay, a bit less, since he’s our player, even if in a number of games it seems like we have 10 men and he’s playing another match), well… it’s not that great, is it.

After more than 2 seasons with us, you still struggle to see him do well within the teams needs in more than one way, in 2-3 games in a row, not to mention more. That is not a lot. A player of his age and physical capabilities, would be able to do it for around or more than 2-3 games. Doesn’t have to be all 90 minute performances, but starts in a row, without rotation from the start. But he hasn’t been able to do it. Because of a lack of quality and consistency. Which is why he’s not of the same importance as some other players. He figures regularly for us, but hasn’t made that position his own. It’s really as simple as that.

I do agree that there’s always at least 51% of bias in everything, but there’s a difference being a little bit biased and totally biased. I want all of our players to succeed, but that’s impossible and so far he hasn’t been the success we wanted, doesn’t look like he will be and there’s a time limit how long can that go on.

We can act like we’re all perfectly fine since his first day at the club to the last (he’s here so it must mean it’s all good, then when he leaves, a switch was just turned off), but it doesn’t work like that. And we can see it both in numbers and on the pitch.

He’s not hopeless like Carroll, Balotelli, Benteke (they all had their styles and strengths, different timings to move them on)… but so far it wasn’t enough and I doubt it will be.

Football is a bit more complex than bringing it down to numbers: goals and assists for attacking input and, what, miles/sprints/tackles for defensive input.

It doesn’t work like that, numbers or facts and what happens on the pitch are not perfectly aligned.

Stats can either confirm what eyes see and brain processes, or maybe suggest that the eyes are missing something.

And the financial aspect does matter, I’m afraid. For players themselves, they tell them don’t worry about what we (the club) paid for you, just go out there and do your thing. Which is fine from that perspective.

But yes, it does matter. Fee paid, wages, type of club that bought them in the football food chain, years of contract, clauses (or not)… it all influences partly when is the time when we can (if we want to, depending how much we want to) move on.

You get the odd Robbie Keane example when Liverpool decided to sell him back to Spurs (which also needs willingness from their side) already in January, because Rafa said, we would’ve gotten less money in the next summer window than in January.

It’s all connected and it matters, it’s how the game works.

But I haven’t seen much people (LFC or general football public) even talk that much about Nunez’s transfer fee, because a lot of us have probably given up on a certain ceiling from him and now it’s just “can you perform better than you are, while you’re here” or not.

I wasn’t convinced there’s a top player hiding in him, just waiting to be unlocked if “certain things click for him”. But you get more and more people who had that belief and are now changing their opinion, or the feeling has changed.

Based on numbers, game understanding and yes, feeling.

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This is where I am. I was a late adopter to losing faith in him but I am there/ there is too much at stake this season to not have a reliable #9. If there is an opportunity in January to bring someone in, it absolutely must be done. No way Nunez is here after next summer at the latest. I agree with whoever said he lacks the technical ability. Every time he has the ball I almost expect him to lose it. He doesn’t have that tight, close control and touch necessary. And of course he simply can’t finish. If he had both of those things in addition to his physical gifts (and heart) he would be incredible. He just doesn’t and won’t sadly. It’s time to move on.

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If the lad hits a gold vein of form between now and the end of the season… we could well march to the PL crown.
I personally feel he has not settled to the surrounding environment… cold, grey, drab skies which is predominately the British weather in footballing season. There seems to be an unease about him, a lack of calmness at all times…
I hope he hits form and becomes part of folklore… but but but, we will have to see eh

I’m not going to reply to the rest, at least not today, since a lot of it is just opinion and a lot of the rest I do agree with, but I just wanted to highlight something:

The Keane example is precisely my point. It doesn’t matter what he came in for, that has already gone out.

In respect to what you said, the fee paid doesn’t matter in whether or not he can/will be sold. The rest of it does matter, and as far as I’m aware, his wages aren’t that high (especially given what Graham said about the comparison with Haaland). The length of contract matters less if we really want to sell, it might get us more money perhaps but not by that much if he’s not wanted to begin with. The length of contract only affects the bargaining power of the selling club, and let’s face it, if we’re selling him on the basis of underperformance, we won’t exactly be price-setters.

I’m going on the ‘£500 pounds’ definition of ‘a lunch out’.

Most contracts are rarely below 4 years, we agreed 6 years with him. The deal doesn’t need any comparisons with Haaland or whoever, it was a high level transfer in football overall. Let’s say that everyone deserves at least one full season. Nunez has showed enough in his first to earn a second one, that was my opinion at the time. The latest point when you would mainly want to sell is when a player has two years left on his deal. We’re in his third and things aren’t improving enough, but he still has three years left. That can be security, especially if he turned out to be a clear success so far, but since he hasn’t, the whole deal (part of the reason, main is on the pitch) makes it harder for us to sell him (or made it harder in the earlier period, now we’re getting to the middle and it’s slowly conclusion/decision time) and attract serious enough interest/offers, at a loss we would accept.

I think he will have to show more improvement, not slight or inconsistent and not only in numbers, but in different aspects of his game for our different phases of play under Slot. Because if he doesn’t, I think we will do our job inside and perhaps a bit outside to push moving him on. Not saying to the world “hey, he’s for sale”, but… there are ways to put him more on the market. Between the summer of 2025 and 2026, or in any window in that period. Will be interesting to see what kind of interest he could attract and what fee/loss we would be willing to accept.

I’m a relatively late convert to thinking Nunez may need to go, but still a little torn.
Feel there is a player in there somewhere, he can be great in patches but his finishing lets him down, too much!He can clearly be a sod to play against, but in his position he needs to get the ball in the back of the net.
Keep hoping he will get his shit together…still waiting.

I think the stats and ‘things he needs to do’ are not the biggest problem. We mentioned Firmino,who scored lesser goals sometimes but were considered crucial to us but yet Nunez who have similar work rate and attitude does not seem to be.

My observation is all how each fits into the team. Firmino makes the team work. But Nunez for some reason does not do that. Sometimes he almost looks like he is working silo from the system while in the system. Like a person working in the team who works remotely while the rest works in the office. He is doing alot right but for some reason just can’t gel into the flow at times.

I think most of us are in the same category and have the same thoughts we all hope he can reach the heights that takes us to glory.

But, alas, he hasn’t and the coaches and Darwin haven’t found the key to unlocking the potential in putting that round thing between the posts without it hitting the opposition.

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Shame about the postponement. With all the worries, he was nailed on to score today.

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As was JoGo.

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https://old.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/1h8v39q/mohamed_salah_i_know_that_many_people_dont_like/

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Mo and I are the remaining loyalists

Are you still talking about Núñez or have you started fantasising about Firmino again…

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That’s correct

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No competition to be the goalscorer

Now training in Predators (though in the version without the folding tongue, which Jota uses for example).

He’s still searching.

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