Ding Dong.....the US Politics Thread (Part 1)

Indeed, the outcome of the 2020 presidential election is still very much in doubt, and likely won’t become clearer until Pennsylvania and Michigan finish counting all their votes. We’re also waiting for official projections in Georgia, Arizona, Wisconsin and a handful of other contests. But since Trump made it clear that he would take this route, we talked over how we would handle things in the FiveThirtyEight newsroom.

Here’s where we landed: If Trump falsely or prematurely declares victory … our priorities would be (i) don’t let Trump’s false/premature claim dominate our coverage or alter our framing of the night, while (ii) still making clear to readers why the claim is false/premature and carries no legal power.

This is good live coverage.

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Amusing to me that Trump is simultaneously declaring an outright win and a fraud on the American people.

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Not sure how accurate this is.

Amusing because you are somewhat intelligent (:wink:).

Unfortunately the contradiction is lost on millions.

He won’t, because you get a sense that people like Fauci are sensitive and scientific. And these kind of people really care about others. They are willing to even work under arseholes to save the powerless.

BBC said the same an hour ago +
It is insane, but there it is.

How is it looking, good for Biden or too close to call? Around what time will we have a definitive answer?

He has been made a boogie man in the Trumpian narrative, so he will fire him. He already said so to his crowd.

Depends. Postal votes could take a week to be counted. Republicans are taking to the courts to prevent them being counted, so delay could be longer.

If Biden wins, given narrow margin Trump is expected by some to use other methods to claim victory

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Too close to call, really.

Biden is a chance though.

Within the next 12 hours or so, I think…but quite possibly longer.

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Putting Republican cravenness aside, I just cannot fathom how a court would argue the right thing to do is to not count votes.

Biden has won Arizona.

Nevada and Maine next.

Then Georgia and one other…don’t give a fuck which.

Apparently the ABC pushed back hard on his claims. I dunno, I’m not watching.

Every major news outlet needs to do the same.

TURMP IS LYING as the headline.

Yes, but that’s also among the few positives:
Trump did better in 2020 with all voter groups compared to 2016, except white males, which again ought to have been clinically impossible in a country without mass psychosis.

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Any and all methods I suspect. Only a thrashing would have turfed him out. Going to get messy.

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Maybe. But he turns 80 next month, and is just waiting to be fired now. He tried to fight covid, and the American people have chosen not to do so. Why waste his time tilting at windmills? It is one thing to work under arseholes, quite another to waste the last years of your life trying to
protect arseholes from the consequences of their own choices.

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Thankfully, the security apparatuses in the USA have been designated “enemy within”, so he can’t muster a coup even if he wants and yes, I am thinking those Turkish thoughts about the US. Anyway, votes will be counted.

Not bad. Think Team America is a bit catchier though.

Concerning the Senate it is grim: