Ding Dong.....the US Politics Thread (Part 1)

“Big protest in D.C. on January 6th,” Mr. Trump tweeted on Dec. 19, just one of several of his tweets promoting the day. “Be there, will be wild!”

Had forgotten about this one.

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Scoring system says Dubai

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Computer says no.

Is it weighting tall buildings and golf courses properly?

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There is a photograph of a guy in the Senate Chamber building with a handgun and zip-ties. There have been very active threads on 8chan/4chan about taking hostages and executing “traitors” on the 6th.

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wavy.com/news/national/live-dc-mayor-to-speak-as-police-track-down-rioters-who-stormed-capitol/amp/

MPD Chief Robert Contee told reporters late on Wednesday that two pipe bombs were recovered from the headquarters of the Republican and Democratic national committees, as well as a cooler from a vehicle on U.S. Capitol grounds that contained Molotov cocktails.

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Just seen the footage of Trump addressing the crowd about an hour before the riot started. He says “We will never give up, we will never concede. After this, and I’ll be there with you, we are going to walk down to the Capitol building… We will cheer our brave senators and congresswomen and we probably won’t cheer some of them… You can never win with weakness, you have to be strong”.

Giuliani follows him up and says “Let’s have trial by combat”.

They have incited this for years, they’ve ramped it up in the past two months and they were there today - fully in the knowledge that various online groups were already planning to attack the Capitol building - inciting the mob yet again.

Trump is an enemy of the United States, even while he sits as it’s President.

Source: I saw it through a video by LegalEagle on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ0Hfc8hvpE

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This probably is far more embarassing than an actual coup which would have involved trained militia gathering and making a planned attack…

The federal govts had indications that this was going to happen , why not call in the army and arrest more people. Theyve had people in the hundreds arrested at the blm protests and now there are only 50 arrests so far ?

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Because this way it destroys Trump and his potential to re-surge out of sheer parody and embarrassment.

No one has argued this or that which has gone before it, has been a military coup though. People have argued that Trump have systematically and most methodically (and let us not forget desperately) tried to stage what amounts to a political coup since he lost the election. A classic military coup is very different as you note.

Even so, professors of political science I read call this a coup attempt, and I am totally fine with that as I understand that they don’t mean a military coup but a political coup. Trump has no armed forces support to manage to succeed with a military coup anyway. He hasn’t even enough political support to successfully mount a political coup, but that doesn’t mean that he doesn’t try every day since the election doing that exactly.
Yesterday, that situation alone, was far from a classical coup, and no one would have called it a coup had it not come after what has been a systematic attempt at illegally retaining power (this is the political coup attempt). So alone, the storming of the Congress with vandals, isn’t in any way or form a coup attempt, it is insurrection and sedition, but taken in context with what Trump and his people have been doing since the election defeat, it is part of a political coup attempt by the incumbent to retain power illegally, and to not classify that as a political coup attempt would be meaningless, as there isn’t any other word for it.
Context is incredibly important after all. Alone, various acts are insurrection and sedition, together, they amount to a political coup attempt to retain power illegally.
But again, no one has argued that what happened yesterday is a classical coup. I haven’t read anyone saying that.

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Dont know I was merely asking a question based on the reading of Trump’s rhetoric; its granted he incited the protest, but who got them to go into the Senate, and who instructed the police to wave them in.

I’m just gutted that I left my local Antifa group decades ago. Major mistake in hindsight, didn’t realise they’d become such a major player in world politics one day.

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That was an Anti FA group you were in.

I remember you and you still owe me a coffee.

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Really?
No need for any militia in a coup.
All it requires is a person invested with authority.
A ‘putsch’ which is a form of coup requires military.

This imo wasn’t a coup (the person of autority didn’t use that authority) it was more an incitement of popular revolt (revolution if you like).
It was not a demonstration in a democratic sense as it went beyond that when it caused the congress to retire/dissolve. Even if that was deemed in a pathetic and temporary fashion.
Yes it ended up being embarrassing however that doesn’t take away from the fact a ‘legitimate’ institution was prevented (for a time) from carrying out it’s duties (constitutional).

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And 4 people sadly died. And luckily the pipe bombs and cocktails went unused. This was not far from being much, much worse.

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You bring me a fucking mojito right now :partying_face:

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And two thirds of the arrests have been by municipal authorities.

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Initially it was 24 and 12 hours respectively. Good to see them act sensibly, at last.

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Nothing you guys don’t know if you actually read the thread, but confirmation that these twats thinks they were part of a revolution incited by the Trumposphere, as this loon has been interviewed after the storming, confirming all the nonsense these people wrote on the internet before the “Storm”.

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