I’ve mentioned Elle’s work before as being the best I’ve seen at explaining the confusion even those in the community have over what is supposed to be irony and what is supposed to be sincere
https://x.com/elspethreeve/status/1967579130641432699
Her book is black pill and there are loads of really good conversations with her on various podcasts with her promoting the book and explaining the ideas behind it.
One of the things that confuses me about Trump’s presidency, both of them, is the focus on the conflict, when there is so much room for criticism of Trump just failing to achieve his own stated objectives.
Cost of living? Nope
Ukraine-Russia conflict? Nope
This is another great example. If Trump doubled down on supporting his adminstration’s actions on the Korean engineers setting up the Hyndai factory that would be a simple conversation about differences in ideas. But here is showing that a catastrophic diplomatic black eye was against his supposed priorities and undermines his supposed policy goals and it’s just floating off on the wind.
Karen Attiah, world renowned Foreign Affairs writer and Liverpool fan, was just fired from the WaPo for this series of comments
Thank you for the 8 min clip above. She clearly knows her stuff and it was very informative to me. I think I am starting to get a handle on it.
Christian Nationalism contains within it the desire to build and rule. It draws on a narrative of trying to get the country back on track, probably to something that never existed in the first place, but people are buying into the rhetoric and sense of nostalgia. The idea is to reform the structures of society with the goal to build and rule.
Groyper culture, or black pill culture (I don’t know enough to know the difference, so I’m sort of lumping it together) seems to maintain the viewpoint that ‘the good life’ is beyond me, and things are not really salvageable anyway, so we might as well burn it down. And related to that, performative acts along the way communicate belonging to the community, while offering a spectacle that doesn’t necessarily have any great meaning behind it. It seems more nihilistic to me.
Still a bit foggy with the whole thing, but it feels like I am starting to get a bit of a grasp of it. I’ll probably talk to my college aged son about this, as he is pretty savvy about this sort of stuff. I might get called a boomer, but I want to understand.
And yes, it seems like the usual right wing/left wing way of delineating all of this is woefully inadequate.
What saddens me is that, just as with other similar firings, it’s not Trump who had her fired, it’s the bosses of the Washington Post. Either they are gutless cowards, or worse, they are on board to finish democracy off.
Not about politics per see, but I find in general, very litte in the MSM-type media written about the clear and obvious Accelerationist Terror treath. The reason I highlighted your sentence, is that it is not necessarilly Right Wing (but usually is).
I don’t think most people know much about it at all. But Accelerationism - Wikipedia
is a far bigger internet phenonamon than people imagine. A disturbing number of anti social killings, as well as behaviour, comes from this very lose internet radicalised movement; far more than what even the average knowledgable person knows.
I think most people knows that I am not a conspiracy theorists. In fact, I seek to debunk them, all the time I see them. But there are conspiracies. And the Order of Nine Angels have their fingers in far more cookie jars than most people knows and are far, far more dangerous. They are an ISIS-like threat, but are seldom if ever mentioned. And yet, if you study it more carefully (a friend of mine has studied them quite closely indeed) , you would notice that a lot of what MSM labels neo nazi or pedohilia, is really O9A if looked at with a lens (police reports tends to miss the occult bit and focus on the obvious “glaring at you” politics or sexual deviency).
Yet, anti social accelerationsit movement that goes under cover to infiltrate other anti social movements and make them worse, to trigger violence and a disaster ? Sounds like bullshit, eh ? But it’s not. But the topic is so sensitive that it is rarely even debated, because most lack knowledge. And if you even mention an occult anti social society, the uneducated would think Pizzagate nonsense and be unable to comprehend.
Btw. The study I post now below, I strongly recommend it for reading for those with only a cursory interest. I think the contents would surprise a few people, even knowledgable ones.
I post this, only because in latter years, more and more killings and anti social behaviour, has come out of this Accelerationist Movement from the internet, and behind it, you will often find the shadowy tendrils of O9A; believe it or not. But I don’t exaggerate how dangerous these people are, they are worse than a normal person could imagine.
How many of you knew that the murder of Jo Cox was O9A inspired ? Not many I bet…
This is the same WaPo whose owner killed their editorial board’s pending endorsement of Harris a couple of days before it was due to run because he didnt want to get on Trump’s bad side.
The remarkable thing about this is how unrelated to Kirk Attiah’s comments were. Even beyond the free speech/cancel culture element of the discussion, it requires incredible acrobatics to try to pretend she said anything offensive about Kirk or out of place in light of what happened.
And I’ve said it over and over again, but the further away we get from Gamergate the clearer it becomes that it was a critical turning point in our culture and the predicate so much of this societal brokenness we’ve seen since
Yeah. I’ve known about this movement since I was a youngish student, but it has dramatically increased in pull-power from those days. And due to organisations like O9A being as shadowy and cell structured as they are, almost nothing is written about them when they are involved in killings and anti social behaviour (very often, O9A involvement is difficult to prove in a court of law in any case, at least if the O9A member has operated as he/she should do). It is massively underreported.
Imagine the brains of US Far Right christians if they knew a part of their propaganda had been designed by literally nihilistic “Satanists” (" used on purpose since the term satanist is so-so and means so much). They would not understand of course, but I find charming irony in it myself.
Are you Right Wing if you act like Right Wing but do it for a greater and even darker cause that most other Right Wing nationalists would even disagree with? Are you an Al Qaida member (like David Myatt was) if you infiltrate the jihadist movement with great success, but only do so because you see it as a vehicle for the destruction of society and you are not really even a Muslim ? Are you a pedophile if you watch such horrific “porn” as a pathway to becoming properly desensitized? Those are almost philosophical questions and for most people they don’t really matter (only the criminal behaviour matters for most lay people), which is why O9A and similar accelerationst groups often escape the spot light.
It’s interesting though.
It feels like we went from a world led by octogenarians to a world threatened by adolescents without adults ever having their turn.
All this prattling on about chat group warriors and bedroom terrorists is profoundly vacuous and sterile when we live in a world with real problems of poverty, inequality, climate change, healthcare, security, economics and morality.
We need real life politicians with real solutions for real issues, not some acne pocked teenagers with a porn and violence fetish.
Right you are indeed.
But I highlighted it, because they are in fact real and must be taken serious. and worse, many of them are being led by men and women who have long passed the acne stage. It is literally a movement that must be taken seriously, because it is today far more pronounced and behind just simply too much anti social crimes. The Accelerationist nihilist threat is real, mostly because the ideology adores and worships violence (and also seeks to recruit unstable people who suffer mentally) and therefore, critically, has adherants (yes, even young acne-plagued teens) that are more willing than most extremists to actually execute.
In military terms, (many) accelerationists have high morale. They are willing to suffer and willing to die. This makes them more dangerous and stiff than the average Neo-Nazi and they should be taken seriously, although many of their members are usually to be pitied.
Not having a go at you M. I’m complaining about the situation.
Yeah, I knew that.
And it’s correct. The types I am writing about above, could be objectively defined as the dystopian detrius of post industrial and post modern free speech society. Their very goal is the end of current civilization after all (accelerate social collapse) to bring forth something new and dystopian.
I think it is worth debating and highlighting because it is simply rarely if ever done and most people don’t know about this movement.
Did you for instance know that Brentan Tarrant was on a O9A magical path ? No, I think not (unless you read my article), because MSM does not really investigate the why deep enough and there is a genuine lack of knowledge.
With these and less extreme exemplars, I’m always drawn to, the why? I agree this sort of activity is very destructive but why do people fall for it/follow it? There has to be a path where this is not a “thing”.
Edit - is this new or an extension of Grima Wormtongue?
That’s more a psycological question. I think that answer is complex and for me difficult to answer. Most who “fall for it”, are usually not at the best places in life mentally I would guess. But I have read not enough profiles of these people. They differ. But the True Believers seem to have a Social Darwinistic world view in common at the very least.
I fear there are also people who are literally attracted to cruelty. I don’t understand well the psychology behind that, but such people exist.
The account I cited above, the woman who wrote black pill, describes it as an issue of generational evolution that is caused in part by each generation misunderstanding what the people who came before them were doing.
Generation 1 - These are people who gravitated to areas of the internet where the humour was dark and cruel, but did so as relatively well formed people already. It may have been a case of saying things online they couldnt say in real life, but it was understood by most as being humour not real life.
Generation 2 - were younger when they were first exposed to these ironic edgelords and realized that to become the level of troll and meme lord of the older guys they looked up to they had to brush up on their Mein Kampf. So they became exports in Naziology, but still, at some level, were doing it for the bit.
Generation 3 - they were just exposed to people ironically referencing Hitler and didnt know enough about anything else or the progression of the culture they were in know it started out as a bit and they come out the side taking it all seriously, but doing so with a trollish approach, hence the sense of confusion where they are being real or ironic at any given moment, because they often cannot even tell the difference.
Generation 3 are now of the age where they are the staffers for electeds, sometimes even in senior positions.This was a well covered but still under the radar part of the story of De Santis’ campaign
When all that’s left is laughter ; Jon Stewart goes to town on the fat orange fuck.
Real politics doing real good for real people…
Creating a major diplomatic incident while obstructing Trump’s supposed domestic policy goal of increased US manufacturing, all while making us less able to address terrorism and sex trafficking