Returning to this…one of the weirder aspects has been that Steak and Shake, using official corporate accounts dived in with both feed on the issue. I dont think I’ve ever seen a corporation do that before. That should have been a clue
Here Brett claims this was an astroturfed campaign of outrage driven by SnS in effort to drive their share price down and open to door for a hostile takeover
https://x.com/BMeiselas/status/1968876569407160759
A “journalist” who was disgraced writing puff pieces about a political candidate she was having secret sexual relations with has served her penalty and without doing any actual penance she is now back..because she was always going to be. This is so infuriating
If you both aren’t big fan of Asimov’s Foundation series ( and possible the newer TV series I’m going to be very disappointed.
What exactly is freedom of speech, in the US at least?
Because I have always been told that I come from a country of no freedom of speech so I really want to learn from the superior west.
It seems when the left or right shuts down the other side for a speech, boycotts, cancels, the other side will always scream where is the freedom of speech but when they themselves do it, they say oh, freedom of speech comes with consequences.
And just for the record, I don’t agree with shutting down Kimmel just because he made fun of anything. He has the platform, he is into entertainment, he has the right to say anything he thinks serves the platform and only his audience can decide whether they like it or not.
But then, what is what? Is it only freedom of speech when the speech is agreeable to you?
It’s always been a bit spurious, because it comes down to the fact that if you have power and money, you can say what you like, truth or lie, and get away with it. But if you are little people you watch your mouth.
What the constitution is meant to provide, is a limitation of government to limit speech, impose or restrict religious belief and so on. That is the line that has been crossed.
My journey with the Trump arc:
1st → He’ll never get in
2nd → Its only 4 years - the sky wont fall
3rd → See, I was right, the sky didn’t fall and some one is in to steady the ship
4th → Why did they vote him back in and (see) 2nd but the sky does seem closer for some reason…
now → how are the rest of the world adjusting
1. Most large business will comply, what choice do they have but they will pause any investment into expansion - J&J refusal to go ahead with a site in the UK is a recent example
2. Smaller business (<$5 B) and a few larger ones that are already in trouble and reliant/working with US or US businesses will be very, very nervous indeed - VW comes to mind…
3. I guess countries will abopt various postures but ultimately will be “a wait and see” mode
Is weaning off the US teat possible?
edit: I’m not sure it is (easily)
Sorry to bang on about this, but it is an issue in US politics currently.
I first heard the term Antifa about 30 years ago, and it has always meant antifascist to me. It was never a movement, but rather an attitude and for me, it remains do to this day. The word may have been taken up, in the meanwhile, by people who’s methods and ideas I disagree with, but that isn’t unusual in politics. The words ‘socialist’ and ‘democratic’ have been misused on a number of occasions for example. I strongly disagree with the idea, propagated on the right, that it is an organisation, although there may be organisations which have called themselves antifa, they don’t necessarily represent the original meaning of the term.
I know it is not an organisation, but a loose movement (When I post a wiki article, I never do so without reading it, so I don’t understand why you think you can assume I don’t know what antifa is or that I haven’t read much about them before). But I don’t personally fancy the anarchist associations. In German, antifa just basically means anti fascist, but I don’t really fancy the modern groups in the US that much personally, but as I said, I am glad they exist.
But I am not interested in the movement and I don’t like everything the movement represents.
It’s like I don’t particularly fancy the Norwegian party Red either, but I am glad they exist. I don’t fancy the Greens either, but I am glad they exist for reasons of pluralism. This isn’t hard imo. When I was 17 and tried out punk, I associated myself with a fair few Antifa-types. When I got older, this was hardly attractive to me any longer…
It was always meant as a movement in Germany, its early origins as well as its revival, scattered, disunited and loose as it always has been.
The way the right uses them for propaganda is laughable and they’re not actually powerful anywhere.
From personal experience here in the 80s/90s and since then, they’re a wild mixture of well-meaning harmless people, some annoying and imo counterproductive dogmatists - and a strong wing of just total idiots.
100 percent agree.
This is the Antifa I grew up with and knew in my own country (Bekloppt can translate if he is interested):
This is dangerously idiotic. It is a case of having a strong opinion about a consequential issue while having just a lack of knowledge but even lacking an effective way to think about the issue.
https://x.com/childrenshd/status/1969182970142490848?s=61&t=VxX1vHU3NOwwNhlbyICG-g
Milk is food. Glyphosphate is not. It just something that comes into contact with food. Similar to bleach, which is why you can legally buy bleach despite it being capable of killing you if you drank a pint of it.
Public health aims for science based policy. This is what we call policy based science where you start with a perspective based on politics then make up a story to try to advance the policy that would support that politics
Is non-pasteurised milk illegal in the US ?
Even if you buy it from a farm ? In Norway it is quite legal (it is illegal to sell it on the open market, but if you want milk straight from the cow, it’s not hard to get).
And yes, I am aware of the bizarre trend regarding “drinking natural” and I am also aware that it is generally far more wise for most people to drink pasteurased milk (but I am also aware that some people greatly exaggerates how dangerous it is, as it’s not that long since pasterusation was invented and far less time since it became common; many in my family grew up drinking non-pasteurised and I have never actually heard of anyone truly getting seriously ill from it, but of course, obviously it happens).
Me, I have only ever had pasteurised milk, as I am not that ancient. But my mother’s generation and her father and mother’s generation; it was quite common then outside cities in Norway to drink non-pasteurised milk from local farms.
Anyway, google says it is not illegal in the US, so that answered my question.
Apologies for the stupid question…
It is net legal to sell it as food for humans but not illegal. It’s an important distinction that impacts how the light a glove the feds have policing it. If you stay small, and pretend you’re only selling it for animal feed they will largely leave you alone
Yes, I would want to avoid the risk of E coli and Salmonella myself (we dont really have salmonella in Norway, but e coli certainly pops up now and then). I don’t really understand such movements, unless its about living in pact with nature.
There’s obviously a bit of the naturalistic fallacy in Play, but it’s really exploded in the last few years outside of that space. Or at least into those political areas that now have overlap with this space… See Maha.
But mainly It’s just a pathology to reflexively oppose anything from people you dislike. It’s exactly the same thought process that saw them respond to the authorities saying ivermectin was not an effective treatment for Covid by insisting that ivermectin works for everything from hunger to world peace
We buy weekly produce from an Amish Farm. You get a box of staples and then random things depending on what is in season. It recently included raw milk. It was labeled not for human consumption, animals only. Not sure if that’s because of the lawyers or what.
I think there is a small subculture that might still drink it, but we chucked it.
Listeria is more likely. There were some cases in France a few months ago. Due to cheese and ‘fromage cuit’ at that too from what I could gather.
I was curious, so asked my mother (I am visiting) if I had ever had non-pausterised milk, and it turns out I have at a farm we used to visit a lot when I was very little.
However, I strongly, strongly suspect that it is less dangerous to drink non pausterised milk from smaller farms in Norway (where they have 5-20 cows) and industrial farm most everywhere else. My mother, (because i had to ask again) had never heard of anyone getting ill from drinking non-pausterised milk, as was common in her childhood.
This is purely anecdotal. Everyone knows that Louis Pasteur brough the world something remarkable. I do not for a second challenge the health benefits of Pasteurisation. Just noting that small farms in a country where salmonella doesn’t exists and where e- coli is very rare (and we are all vaccinated against tuberculosis today), is probably not at all the same as drinking non-pausterised milk from an industrial farm in, say, Germany.
But I have no expertise and claim no expertise. But the above makes sense to me.
