Drill Baby Drill...the US Politics Thread (Part 3)

Either name is right on the money.

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Classic distraction technique. When in trouble, just point and shout, “Look over there!!!”

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Venezuela is mobilizing its military to defend themselves. If it comes to a fight, they will lose, decisively and quickly, though if they fight with all their might they might inflict some damage. It is ridiculous that it is coming to this.

Two things. First, as others are saying, the distraction from Epstein. It won’t work. Epstein will not go away. Second, Venezuela has a lot of oil, more proven reserves than Saudi Arabia, and is the number one in the world, with over 18% of the world’s proven oil reserves.

It’s not too difficult to see what’s going on, and it is shameful.

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What America has been doing, in bombing alleged drug runner boats, has not be tried as to the legality. The Trump regime says it’s all fine. Plenty of people would say otherwise. US admirals and generals have retired over it, and the UK is scaling back on intelligence sharing with America because of it. It is rotten to the core.

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i get it, but i dont get it.

if he committed a crime, and this is suspected evidence, its a case for law enforcement.

all good, no need to simplify even further for me, my mental energy for american politics isnt high

I wonder about this. Venezuela is far better suited for guerilla warfare than Vietnam, and in fact has a swamp large enough to put all of Vietnam in. Venezuela, like most countries, is very easy to bomb from the air, but actually controlling it is a very different proposition.

The illegality of what the US is doing with attacking boats is not seriously in question anywhere outside the US.

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Very useful summary, ta.

This absurdity points to the crux of America’s problems, for me. Could you design a more illogical way to govern a country if you tried?

Im sure she would be leading it if she was allowed

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I doubt America would want to get on the ground in a protracted fight. That seems like a lot of attrition. It will be bombs away, aerial superiority, a show of strength that way, but it won’t really achieve anything.

It’s appalling that this is even in play. Venezuela hasn’t done anything to America. They are to the left politically, with lots of oil reserves, and it very much looks like America is trying to drum up a casus belli out of thin air.

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The Monroe Doctrine was something that came from the early years of the Republic (5th president) stating that the entire western hemisphere was the US’ domain and they were able, even bound, to exert their influence on the countries there towards the US’ interest. It was the beginning of US imperialism so not out of place for the time, but has come to be a bit of a stain on the US’ reputation.

John Kerry declared the era officially over in Obama’s second term but Trump people have been openly referencing it to justify their view of these actions

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That’s probably the part of ‘Make America Great Again’ Trump and co talk about all the time. The cunts.

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The other thing is they have found Europe and NATO a lot harder to bend to Trump’s will than they imagined and so one reading of turning their focus back onto the Americas is to allow some avenues for America to flex their muscle and allow Trump to look strong.

And this goes back to something I point out a lot but never seems to gain traction - if you judge Trump even by his own objectives he is a failure. He ran on resolving the Ukraine conflict on day 1. It was not a joke. It was presented as a contrast between his smart deal making and the respect he gets from foreign leaders in contrast to Biden’s fecklessness. What we have seen is wild bipolar flailing, and admission that maybe this was harder than “most people” thought it would be (no you cunt, we all understood the challenge) and has largely moved on. How isnt this a defining failure?

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Just want to offer a comment on American imperialism. Not just commerce and culture, but military imperialism.

Even if the Monroe doctrine had been a consistent thing throughout America’s history, the scope seems old fashioned and quaint, as America has not limited its activity to the western hemisphere.

America has around 750 military bases and installations around the world, across 80 different countries. Almost 200 of them are in Japan and South Korea alone, and the last time I checked, they were not located in the western hemisphere!

When bad people are about to do bad things they drum up some sort of rationale for their actions. In America’s history, rather than saying we committed genocide on the various Native American tribes who were here first, let’s call it Manifest Destiny. Sounds much better. It’s our divine right to have it.

And rather than saying we should bomb Venezuela to distract from Epstein, secure future oil rights, and put those lefty-commies in their place… how about we do it under the guise of the Monroe Doctrine. That sounds like a more noble endeavor.

Bunch of balls. Right is right and wrong is wrong.

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Just so it is not misconstrued, referencing the Monroe Doctrine today as a reason for any action is the opposite of sanitizing it. It is understood today as a very outdated framework for the world and would not be too different than the British making demands of Saudi to just give us their natural resources because they are really ours, or Germans talking about Lebensraum. Trump era people raising it is an example of someone knowing of something without knowing what it actually means.

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Seemingly others weren’t:

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Brilliant in a way. Sad in another.

Trying to shift focus onto others. Classic move to hide personal guilt

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Also lets not forget in these times of his corruption getting normalized, that is an appalling abuse of presidential authority.

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I wonder how long (5, 10 20 years) it will take for people to learn from this period. Ones life will not change in trajectory, from a ballistic to an escape velocity trajectory, based on 5 or 10 (or even 50) years of some party being elected. There is a fundamental misunderstanding on the level of expectation that people have right now on what you get for what you pay for in politics…

This is a not a legal pursuit of him. It is an attempt at congressional oversight of how the government managed a case of perceived national interest where are a large collection of anomalies are known, many of which tie directly to the president. it is a textbook case of Congressional oversight being warranted.

Just as one example, shortly after Trump started floating the idea of Maxwell getting a pardon, the Deputy AG, someone deeply aligned to Trump, very unusually started a series of in person discussions with her. Shortly after she was moved to a low security prison that people convicted of what she was are simply not eligible for, and even beyond that is reportedly getting more privileges there than other inmates.

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:poop:
It stinks, doesn’t it?